From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu May 18 23:06:12 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, May 19 2000 Volume 01 : Number 859 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: re: Los Alamos update... fsj: ultimate water pump fsj: 44 pages!!! fsj: Leaky Gasket fsj: U-joint questions... fsj: Re: re: Los Alamos update... fsj: Re: Shop fsj: Re: Re: Shop fsj: Re: Re: Shop fsj: the windshield gasket auction... fsj: Re: Re: Re: Shop fsj: oh how simple your life must be... :) fsj: Re: oh how simple your life must be... :) Re: [fsj: Circa 1979 NOS Q-T and 4WD emblems] Re: [Re: [fsj: ammeters]] fsj: 258 skidplate Re: [fsj: Circa 1979 NOS Q-T and 4WD emblems] Re: [fsj: Circa 1979 NOS Q-T and 4WD emblems] Re: fsj: Manual trans with Quadra-trac? fsj: garage update... reporting from Snohomish... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:00:49 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: re: Los Alamos update... > Just think how green those hills will be very soon... or does it > not work like that down there? After a burn up here the hills > get to be very green as the grasses take off... Not until the next wet year, which can be a decade later in NM! > Of course fires like this don't occur very often on this side... > hard to get this stuff dry enough... usually it happens in late > August/September during our "dry season". :) It's only a "dry season" compare with Noah's Flood! kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:14:18 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: ultimate water pump

From: Michael Baxter 
Subject: fsj: The ultimate in AMC V-8 water pumps?

I finally have acquired a GMB 110-1040P high flow water pump for my
hybrid engine project. It took nothing short of a miracle and two Airtex
water pumps received and returned before I finally had one of these thing=
s
in my hands.

Michael -

where can I get one ? Seems like the 'ultimate' might be aluminum, but I'll take grey iron and stamped steel for stability.

- Landon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:39:55 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: 44 pages!!! john writes: >> So the county (thankfully I only have to deal with a county and not a municipal authority too.) sent me an application for a variance... IT HAS 44 pages!!!! and they want me to give them $500 to process it! = << Now you know why I didn't pursue expansion of my current garage. It was only going to violate 3 set backs. The side, front and the breeze-way between the two structures :-O. The other place it could go was down the hill but, then it would only take a 100 tons of asphalt to pave the new driveway and a big enough turn-around for my trailer. And no, dirt or gravel wouldn't work. Too steep and too soft when it is wet. I think the application was only about 20 pages here but, it was still too daunting for me. I just bought a new lot to build on instead :-). Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 18-May-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:39:52 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Leaky Gasket Michael Shimniok writes: >> Err... so... should one NOT treat the cork gasket??? << Just not cover the whole cork gasket with silicone. It is okay to use a light coat of silicone to glue it to the rail or the cover/pan. James already mentioned this plus he mentioned on valve covers and oil pans to use a ball peen hammer on a block of wood, or such, to beat the area arou= nd the bolt holes flat again in case the fasteners have been over-torqued in= the past. All good advice. The main objective is to leave the inside of the cork gasket free of any silicone so oil can soak into the gasket. It is also normal for it to= look "wet" around a cork gasket. There will always be an oil film present= on the block, case or pan above and below where the gasket resides. Just not supposed to drip. All my cork gaskets except the tranny pan and the governor cover are original on my '79 Chero. and none of them leak. A cork gasket will last = a long time when properly handled. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 18-May-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:39:53 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: U-joint questions... john writes: >> Anyway, my question is: = HOW LONG do U-Joints last in "normal" use? How does one determine if they are "bad"? (I'm pretty sure that wiggling them is not the final answer... ;) << Yea, that's pretty much all there is to it. Just devise a way to poke, prod and wiggle each joint and if any play at all is perceptible, they're= loose. My '79 Wag. had all original U-joints until someone stole the rear driveshaft. My '79 Chero. still has all the original U-joints. That's wit= h 173,000 and 110,000 miles respectively. Of course, both have the good Spicer u-bolt style u-joints which Jeep did away with in '80 or '81. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 18-May-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:30:09 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: re: Los Alamos update... At 01:00 PM 5/18/00 -0600, Kim Smith wrote: >> Of course fires like this don't occur very often on this side... >> hard to get this stuff dry enough... usually it happens in late >> August/September during our "dry season". :) > >It's only a "dry season" compare with Noah's Flood! >kim rofl... if we go six weeks without rain they declare it a drought and take precautionary measures to prevent forest fires... :) like I say, Jeeps don't rust here, they mold... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:44:59 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Shop Lots of folks are thinking the same thing I am... but the last email, from brad, rang a bell... I can build a garage that basically floats... I'll pour a slab, then build a garage that sits on pressure treated 6x6's with tow hooks. Then if they decide to use the easement I hook up superdawg and slide the temporary structure onto my property, or dismantle it... :) Will use panels to assemble it, and a sloping flat roof... with barn doors... :) Yee-haw... Now, I face an authority more severe than the county or state... more terrifying than a home-owners association archetictural review board, more fickle than a row of wine tasters, more precise than a rocket scientist, the most beautiful woman on the face of the earth... (can you tell where I'm heading with this? ;) Yes, the warden... I've got a hunch this idea will be vetoed post haste... I'll try tonight and see... although I can already see the furrowed brow, and the immediate words coming forth from her lips... "it'll be ugly"... :) Ah yes, such is life in the land of mold and tree weeds... john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:42:21 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Shop > Now, I face an authority more severe than the county or state... > more terrifying than a home-owners association archetictural review > board, more fickle than a row of wine tasters, more precise than > a rocket scientist, the most beautiful woman on the face of the > earth... (can you tell where I'm heading with this? ;) Yes, > the warden... > > I've got a hunch this idea will be vetoed post haste... I'll > try tonight and see... although I can already see the furrowed > brow, and the immediate words coming forth from her lips... "it'll > be ugly"... :) But there's your answer! Tell her that you don't think it will be ugly, and your taste must be impeccable, because you chose to marry the most beautiful woman in the world. Works for me, and I just celebrated the twentieth anniversary of my one and only marriage yesterday. kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:19:55 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Shop I didn't mention that this authority is also extremely intelligent and sees right through smoke screens and other bs. :) After 25 years she already knows what I'm going to say, so she doesn't need to talk with me about stuff... rofl... john At 03:42 PM 5/18/00 -0600, Kim Smith wrote: >> Now, I face an authority more severe than the county or state... >> more terrifying than a home-owners association archetictural review >> board, more fickle than a row of wine tasters, more precise than >> a rocket scientist, the most beautiful woman on the face of the >> earth... (can you tell where I'm heading with this? ;) Yes, >> the warden... >> >> I've got a hunch this idea will be vetoed post haste... I'll >> try tonight and see... although I can already see the furrowed >> brow, and the immediate words coming forth from her lips... "it'll >> be ugly"... :) > >But there's your answer! Tell her that you don't think it will be ugly, >and your taste must be impeccable, because you chose to marry the >most beautiful woman in the world. Works for me, and I just celebrated >the twentieth anniversary of my one and only marriage yesterday. > >kim >'80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:22:05 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: the windshield gasket auction... so far the high bid is $120. y'all got till noon Friday, pacific time... ;) going once, going... john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:27:30 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Re: Shop But who suggested smoke or BS? Just the pure, unvarnished truth. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Kim Smith" Cc: "FSJ" Sent: Thursday, 18 May, 2000 16:19 Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Shop > > I didn't mention that this authority is also extremely intelligent > and sees right through smoke screens and other bs. :) After > 25 years she already knows what I'm going to say, so she doesn't > need to talk with me about stuff... rofl... > > john > > > At 03:42 PM 5/18/00 -0600, Kim Smith wrote: > >> Now, I face an authority more severe than the county or state... > >> more terrifying than a home-owners association archetictural review > >> board, more fickle than a row of wine tasters, more precise than > >> a rocket scientist, the most beautiful woman on the face of the > >> earth... (can you tell where I'm heading with this? ;) Yes, > >> the warden... > >> > >> I've got a hunch this idea will be vetoed post haste... I'll > >> try tonight and see... although I can already see the furrowed > >> brow, and the immediate words coming forth from her lips... "it'll > >> be ugly"... :) > > > >But there's your answer! Tell her that you don't think it will be ugly, > >and your taste must be impeccable, because you chose to marry the > >most beautiful woman in the world. Works for me, and I just celebrated > >the twentieth anniversary of my one and only marriage yesterday. > > > >kim > >'80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg > SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ------- > ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... > ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... > ------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:30:06 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: oh how simple your life must be... :) >How about putting the garden where the garage would have gone and put the >garage where you have room. It's not likely the county will give you much >trouble for a easment violation if it's a garden. > >JC Jones :) she wants to put a garden there TOO. When I suggested combining the house and existing single car garage she didn't want to because she has a cool garden/limestone brick walk way there... arghhhh... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:52:05 -0400 From: "Ray Drouillard" Subject: fsj: Re: oh how simple your life must be... :) Come on, John... I'm sure that you can come up with a suitable compromise! Just make a decision of what would be equitable and go for it! After all, we wouldn't want to hear any rumors about henpecked husbands. Ray > >How about putting the garden where the garage would have gone and put the > >garage where you have room. It's not likely the county will give you much > >trouble for a easment violation if it's a garden. > > > >JC Jones :) > > she wants to put a garden there TOO. When I suggested combining > the house and existing single car garage she didn't want to because > she has a cool garden/limestone brick walk way there... arghhhh... :) > > john ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 00 17:10:16 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Circa 1979 NOS Q-T and 4WD emblems] Could someone please tell me what "NOS" stands for? I keep seeing it all= over the place and my pea-brain has yet to decipher the meaning. Michael Michael Baxter wrote: > There are some NOS emblems in Australia listed on Ebay. These were in u= se > on FSJs in 1979 and probably go back to at least '74-76: > = > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D332159123 = > = > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D332159119 > = > = > Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter > From Reno, NV USA on 17-May-2000 - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 00 17:14:23 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [Re: [fsj: ammeters]] Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com wrote: > Actually, I wasn't considering a loop. As you mentioned, in order to > induce any current into that loop would require a current that is > changing. I was talking about the current sensing devices commonly used= > in high current DC measurement. > = > The main component involved with this is a "Hall Effect" device. It is > similar to a transistor but the base is biased by electromagnetic flux.= = Wow. Cool trick. I never did very well in Electromagnetics class, can y= ou tell? :) Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:48:23 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: 258 skidplate > John- > Is that FSJ 258 skidplate a stock item? > Just wondering if one of those would bolt up to an XJ 4.0 engine... > > Scott Yep, stock. not sure if it'll work on the 4.0... I've got some tech photos of a 4.0l on the xj site, might work... I can crawl underneath and check my two jeeps and see... Old Blue didn't have a skid plate and when I bottomed the suspension before lifting him I put a major dent in the oil pan too... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: [fsj: Circa 1979 NOS Q-T and 4WD emblems] A: New Old Stock. Speaking of emblems, I picked up a black glovebox door for Blackie, from a Willy's SJ, with the big Jeep emblem on it! Michael=A0Shimniok wrote: Could someone please tell me what "NOS" stands for? I keep seeing it all over the place and my pea-brain has yet to decipher the meaning. Michael ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:19:09 -0500 From: Dan Black Subject: Re: [fsj: Circa 1979 NOS Q-T and 4WD emblems] {- Michael=A0Shimniok wrote: {- Could someone please tell me what "NOS" stands for? I keep seeing it all {- over the place and my pea-brain has yet to decipher the meaning. Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) said: {- A: New Old Stock. Speaking of emblems, I picked up a black glovebox door {- for Blackie, from a Willy's SJ, with the big Jeep emblem on it! Yeah, that. Check out http://www.AcronymFinder.com/ . Specifically, http://www.AcronymFinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=NOS&String=off -- note that in car forums, it also often means "Nitrous Oxide Systems". Don't see much of the second one on SUV forums, but quite a bit in sports car forums. (So no, NOS isn't NOS. ;) ) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. -- Robert A. Heinlein - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 04:03:54 GMT From: Robert Barry Subject: Re: fsj: Manual trans with Quadra-trac? > I have a few questions. Does anyone know if a manual trans can be used >with the QT? Also, as I understand it, emergency drive ("ED") locks the >transfer case and splits torque 50-50 between the front and rear >differentials. So if I install locking front hubs and run with the hubs >unlocked in ED what do I get? Two wheel drive? Would this inflict undue wear >and tear on the QT? Any opinions or first hand experience with either of >these ideas would be appreciated. It would in-effect be 2wd, but it wouldn't save any wear-and-tear, as everything up front would still be rotating. It also wouldn't save you any gas. One thing it would do is allow you to remove the front (or rear) driveshaft if one was damaged. ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: garage update... reporting from Snohomish... The negotiations continue... with the wife that is. :) Garden vs. garage vs. going into debt vs. fighting the county... a couple ideas include pouring a slab on the easement and making a garage that sits on skids... with hooks on the front... if they force me to evacuate the easement I hook up Superdawg (and maybe Superpup too) and slide the structure onto my driveway and off the easement... the main problem, once again, is making something the wife likes, and, oh yeah, coming up the money for the materials. :) The saga continues... Much the way it has for the last 25 years, which is fine, wouldn't have it any other way. :) Oh, another interesting wrinkle... my wife suggested that I just get a vehicle that I don't need to work on... :) Of course the $30K plus for a Dodge Cummins TD, or the $40K for a WJ or a Benz TD didn't fly... ;) She mentioned something under $20K... I'm still dealing with sticker shock on that one. :) Our first house didn't cost that much... I paid a tenth of that for my last decent FSJ... and not much more than a tenth for my last Benz! In the meantime I've been working on a new look for wagoneers.com. When you go to http://www.wagoneers.com you'll hit a smaller, lighter page with links. If you want the original style I'll have a link to http://www.wagoneers.com/README.html so you won't miss anything. I even made some smaller images for the page... let me know what you think... I'm gonna add some javascript pulldowns as well... I may even do some mouse over stuff... I'm doing all my coding in vi in the korn shell... real men use vi. :) I know there are some cool html programs, but some of them produce some really ugly code... ;) My server is becoming like an ancient Tell. A mound of various layers... It's been on line in one form or another since 1995, or was it 94? ;) I've lost count of the pages, but it was over 900 and something... I'm afraid to totally reorganize the site because so many folks have links to it on their sites... Oh well... garage or wheels... either way, I'm not getting rid of Superdawg. ;) BTW, we are certain it is a HE. He has been marking his territory... ;) (leaky rear diff and valve cover...;) back to my html... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #859 *************************