From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jun 15 09:13:14 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, June 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 894 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: re: lug nuts fsj: Re: Monitor fuel flow? Re: fsj: RE: Which Case Is It? fsj: Re: wagoneer problems fsj: Re: 86 and 71 Jeep Pickup fsj: Rubicon Trip in Aug. fsj: narcoleptic Wag Re: fsj: Rubicon Trip in Aug. Re: fsj: Saga of the Narcoleptic Wagoneer Re: fsj: narcoleptic Wag Re: fsj: Saga of the Narcoleptic Wagoneer Re: fsj: Re: wagoneer problems fsj: Front drive shaft play? Re: fsj: RE: Whats wrong with this hypo? 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Blair and UrbFarmer have offered some interesting ideas about > monitoring systems. > I was thinking along those lines as well. > Anyone have an inexpensive/good idea about how to monitor fuel flow > remotely? > I'd kind of like to see for sure if the carb could be getting > starved prior to shutdown. Thinking about putting some kind of > observation tube between the fuel filter and the carb. Of course this > would be a temporary re-routing of the hoses just so I could see the > fuel flow... > I was thinking about one of those antifreeze tester gizmos. I could > watch the balls moving in the tube to see flow, but wondered if the > gasoline would disolve the balls? > Any other ideas? > JeepNut No, it hurts like heck, but gasoline won't dissolve your balls. Seriously, there are gas filters on the market that are clear. They have replaceable filter media inside a permanent clear housing. Should work and will be safer than a Jerry rig! kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Which Case Is It? I checked the parts manual over lunch. The shifters were different for the AT and Manual transmission versions for the NP208 t-case (I'm agreeing with Kim here). When used with the auto transmission the shift lever was just like the NP229/NP228/NP219 shift level. When used with manual transmission it was a shift cane that was positioned next to the transmission shift cane. I also tried to figure out if I had any documentation that would say if the NP219 was used in 83 or not. Unfortunately, the parts manual doesn't give any years for the NP219 and the 83 service manual is just a suppliment to the 82 so you can't tell. But if anyone has one, well, thats the proof! I think Dodge used the NP203 through 79 and didn't start using the NP208 until 80. I think 80 was the first year for the NP208 in any vehicle. - -brad >> A: The NP219 was '80/'81 only (although a few have shown up in '82s, the >> manual says '80-'81) The NP205 (I think that's the one) was a full time, >> with hubs, and had hi/lo like a NP219. I checked one out in a '79 Dodge >> 3/4 ton at the Monroe fest> > >No, that was the NP208. And in Wagoneers with auto trannies, it has >the same type of shifter, the one sticking out from under the seat. > >kim >'80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 > > >> >> Utah John wrote: >> Brian, John, and all: I believe the NP219 was only offered from '80 to >> '83, with A/T only, for all models except the J20. The NP 208 was >> offered for all models from '80 to '87. >> Joe Schaefer knows this stuff better than I do, maybe check with him? >> Utah John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:05:27 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: wagoneer problems most likely it will be a Dana 44. My guess is that it is a 3.73 ratio, that seems to be one of the most popular of that era. If you remove the cover you can count the teeth on the ring gear (the large one) and the teeth on the smaller gear, the pinion. When you divide the smaller into the bigger you'll come up with the ratio. e.g. 41/11= 3,73 When you say your differential broke... what part of it? the ring, the pinion, the axle, the tubes???? depending on what broke, you have a variety of US options for parts. let me know what broke and I'll try to point you in the right direction. If it's the ring, pinion or axles then try Randy's ring and pinion in everett, washington, or reider racing in michigan... or look in any 4x4 magazine for a supplier... john At 10:12 PM 6/14/00 +0200, Moorman wrote: > >Hi John, > >I have a '71 wagoneer, and my rear differential broke down. How do I know >what kind of differential I have? I heard it's probably a dana 44, but >there's nothing on the differential that shows me a brand or number. Also, >when checking on websites for parts there are so many different kinds of >rings and pinions, I don't know which one I need. Any suggestions? > >Thanks, > >Robert > - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:30:03 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 86 and 71 Jeep Pickup ac isn't a big deal to add on these. :) wow, $6k for a 71??? Hope they converted to open knuckle... :) barrington???? I used to live about a block from 31, between US 14 and 176. :) Crystal Lake... :) john At 03:38 PM 6/14/00 -0500, Dave Read wrote: >Wow, that J-20 looks great. Too bad it doesn't have AC. Thanks for posting the > pics. > >You might like this one, short bed, nice red paint, looks like a factory winch >bumper on the front. > >1971 JEEP PICKUP 4X4, 350 V8 auto w/shift kit, 58300 miles, heavy duty >suspension, neat JEEP, rare vin/dlr $6000, 509-575-4774, YAKIMA, WA > >http://www.traderonline.com/cgi-bin/coll/apps/search/photdisp.html?photo=00 096326007&phoneId=5095754774&ad=19714685&status=no&imgsite=&page=search&psta t=P > >I'm in Barrington IL, Just off Route 14 near the Kelsey Road House. My house is > closer to Fox River Grove than Barrington. > >Dave > > > >From: john on 06/10/2000 01:19 PM > >To: Dave Read/Information Systems/National/Hewitt Associates-at-Hewitt Associates > NA >cc: >Client: >Subject: Re: 86 w/only 9000 miles in Snohomish > > > >thanx. >going over to look today. :) >very tempting... :) >when I told my wife about it she says, why don't YOU buy it... >then she made a point of selling SuperDawg... >ya know, I really don't think she likes him very much... ;) > >where are ya in Chi-town? I grew up in Crystal Lake. >Don't miss it... you know it's really, really flat back there... >no snow covered mountains when it's not raining... ;) > >john > >At 08:19 AM 6/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >>http://www.traderonline.com/coll/search/index.shtml and search on 86, jeep, >>pickup, washington, or >> >>http://www.traderonline.com/cgi-bin/coll/apps/search/photdisp.html?photo=00 >050312101&phoneId=4253567042&ad=19692875&status=no&imgsite=&page=search&psta >t=P >> >> >------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:51:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: fsj: Rubicon Trip in Aug. This summer I'm going to have a lot of vacation time, and I want to have some fun! So, I'm been thinking one of the things I would like to do is the Rubicon. Probably in late Aug. I'm kinda hoping some others might have some interest in this venture as well. I don't want to run it by myself. Any takers? Ya, I know I have some serious work to do on my rig. I'm ready to do it. - -brad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:12:35 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: narcoleptic Wag Hi Jeepnut. Could a neutral start safety switch be causing this problem ? - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Loxtercamp Subject: Re: fsj: Rubicon Trip in Aug. I'll tell you what...I really have no desire to put any kind of work into the Ghost. It's future is unknown and it's really not worth it. But, it is trail ready...somewhat. So, I'm ready to go on some local test runs... Greg - --- Brad Seevers wrote: > > This summer I'm going to have a lot of vacation > time, and I want to have > some fun! > > So, I'm been thinking one of the things I would like > to do is the Rubicon. > Probably in late Aug. I'm kinda hoping some others > might have some interest > in this venture as well. I don't want to run it by > myself. > > Any takers? > > Ya, I know I have some serious work to do on my rig. > I'm ready to do it. > > -brad > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:05:51 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: Saga of the Narcoleptic Wagoneer Yeah, that's the way things seem to go for me... The AZ unit is s Wells unit which s a y s Made in USA, but that could refer to the packaging AFAIK. Deception in marketing is so the rule it seems I've become a little cynical.... see there I go again... But I bought NAPA first thinking I'd trust their electrics over whatever I could get at AZ, but then both say Made in USA, so.... You know, the Admiral indicated about the same re: price in a previous post... It must just be the markup in Memphis. There's so many people down here flush with money it's driving up the costs of everything... Plantations to apartments = High Cotton ($$) ...for some... JeepNut Brad Seevers wrote: > Wow, $95 for the NAPA ECU? Thats almost enough to buy an MSD 6A ignition > module. $49 for the AutoZone also sounds expensive. What brand is the > AutoZone ECU? > > The last ECU I bought (as a spare because it was cheep) was $11 new. > > -brad > > JeepNut writes: > > > Todays adventure follows: > > I started it this morning after replacing the coil clip and it ran > > for about 3 minutes, then died. > > I walked back over to it and did nothing but switch the connections from > > the $49.00 AutoZone ECU to the $95.00 NAPA ECU and it fired right up > > again... - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:08:17 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: narcoleptic Wag Hi Mr. Tesar, Good thing to add to my list... I'm trying to formulate a plan of attack re: monitoring things... JeepNut Landon Tesar wrote: > Hi Jeepnut. > > Could a neutral start safety switch be causing this problem ? > > - Landon - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:29:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Saga of the Narcoleptic Wagoneer A: Don't forget about Usa Japan! JeepNut wrote: Yeah, that's the way things seem to go for me... =A0 The AZ unit is s Wells unit which s a y s Made in USA, but that could refer to the packaging AFAIK. Deception in marketing is so the rule it seems I've become a little cynical.... see there I go again... =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0But I bought NAPA first thinking I'd trust their electrics over whatever I could get at AZ, but then both say Made in USA, so.... =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0You know, the Admiral indicated about the same re: price in a previous post... It must just be the markup in Memphis. There's so many people down here flush with money it's driving up the costs of everything... Plantations to apartments =3D High Cotton ($$) ...for some... =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0JeepNut Brad Seevers wrote: Wow, $95 for the NAPA ECU? Thats almost enough to buy an MSD 6A ignition module. $49 for the AutoZone also sounds expensive. What brand is the AutoZone ECU? The last ECU I bought (as a spare because it was cheep) was $11 new. - -brad JeepNut writes: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Todays adventure follows: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0I started it this morning after replacing the coil clip and it ran for about 3 minutes, then died. I walked back over to it and did nothing but switch the connections from the $49.00 AutoZone ECU to the $95.00 NAPA ECU and it fired right up again... - -- ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:48:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: wagoneer problems A: It's kinda hard to get them to the Netherlands though! Check to see if the spider gears are shot. I may have some good used ones to sell for $25. John wrote: most likely it will be a Dana 44. My guess is that it is a 3.73 ratio, that seems to be one of the most popular of that era. =A0 If you remove the cover you can count the teeth on the ring gear (the large one) and the teeth on the smaller gear, the pinion. When you divide the smaller into the bigger you'll come up with the ratio. e.g. 41/11=3D 3,73 When you say your differential broke... what part of it? the ring, the pinion, the axle, the tubes???? depending on what broke, you have a variety of US options for parts. let me know what broke and I'll try to point you in the right direction. If it's the ring, pinion or axles then try Randy's ring and pinion in everett, washington, or reider racing in michigan... or look in any 4x4 magazine for a supplier... john At 10:12 PM 6/14/00 +0200, Moorman wrote: Hi John, I have a '71 wagoneer, and my rear differential broke down. How do I know what kind of differential I have? I heard it's probably a dana 44, but there's nothing on the differential that shows me a brand or number. Also, when checking on websites for parts there are so many different kinds of rings and pinions, I don't know which one I need. Any suggestions? Thanks, Robert ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:40:50 EDT From: DSandelands-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Front drive shaft play? I crawled under the chasis of the Chero today looking for play in the drive train. The front driveshaft has about 1/4" of rotational play. The cause is not the U-joints. The input shafts to the transfer case and the front diff both rotate about a 1/4" inch. Is this normal? If its not normal, is it indicative of wear in the transfer case or the front diff or both? The rear drive shaft by contrast has zero play. Thanks, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:51:38 EDT From: DSandelands-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Whats wrong with this hypo? In a message dated 6/14/00 11:08:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jcjones-at-goldencomputerservice.com writes: << What are the specs on the 77 Cherokee? It is a WT? JC Jones :) >> Its a WT, 401 V8, quadra-trac. Seems to be a relatively unusual car in So. Cal. Not much demand out here for anything made by AMC though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:01:34 -0700 From: Wes Molsberry Subject: Re: fsj: narcoleptic Wag Or how about a faulty engine ground strap connection??? Landon Tesar wrote: > Hi Jeepnut. > > Could a neutral start safety switch be causing this problem ? > > - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:20:12 -0700 From: Wes Molsberry Subject: Re: fsj: Rubicon Trip in Aug. I've wanted to try the Rubicon for years now. I entertained the idea 2 years ago but wimped out. My biggest fear is that Brutus is also my daily driver rig as well. It would be a pain to break him REAL BAD. I'd feel a lot more ready with lower gears (got 3.31's now), a winch, and a new mill. The block has been sitting there machined .030 over, acid dipped, phosphor coated for an embarasing amount of time. The moving parts (new pistons and stuff) are all balanced and ready to go. I moved the family 850 miles North in Nov. of 88 and dragged the engine project (in pieces) along with the kids, cats, and the Ryder truck full of elegant goodwill / garage sale motif furniture. If somebody will be available to tow me and Brutus back to Grants Pass if things go -snap-, then I'm in. Brad Seevers wrote: > This summer I'm going to have a lot of vacation time, and I want to have > some fun! > > So, I'm been thinking one of the things I would like to do is the Rubicon. > Probably in late Aug. I'm kinda hoping some others might have some interest > in this venture as well. I don't want to run it by myself. > > Any takers? > > Ya, I know I have some serious work to do on my rig. I'm ready to do it. > > -brad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:15:00 -0400 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 1/14/2000, rpw; update to special note on compuserve situation] Special Notes 1) messagemedia.com appears to have some significant spam issues, and are blocked from access to this server. 2) Compuserve has had several mail relays added to the Relay Spam Stopper; for this reason, Compuserve customers may have difficulty sending email to the server. The proper solution for this problem is for Compuserve to fix their mail servers. 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