From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jun 16 23:32:34 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, June 17 2000 Volume 01 : Number 896 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: torque wrench? Re: fsj: Saga of the Narcoleptic Wagoneer fsj: Well, what's the skinny? fsj: Rubicon? fsj: ranchos and mirrors Re: fsj: Re: sleepy wag / lug nuts fsj: Re: J-10 for sale :( fsj: 78 J-10 Re: fsj: Re: FSj axles Re: fsj: RE: Which Case Is It? Re: fsj: 78 J-10 Re: fsj: Saga of the Narcoleptic Wagoneer Re: fsj: RE: Which Case Is It? Re: fsj: RE: Which Case Is It? Re: fsj: re:engine compartment heat fsj: Re: DOH! fsj: stomper(J-10)pics fsj: Re: Olds 350 Diesel in a little Cheroke fsj: AMC 20 rear end Fwd: fsj: Re: DOH! fsj: J10 for sale in the great north woods... stomper FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: torque wrench? < Geez, John. You've gotta get better tools. I've only broken one socket (of < my own) in my life. Those who know my wrenching won't let me put the last < little bit of tight on a bolt cause I can twist off darn near anything. < About the only thing I've never overtightened is a pitman arm nut. My buddy < in Maine used to say that the only way I could tell when something was tight < enough was after I put one too many turns on it. < < Ben Williams < '71 Wagoneer < '78 F-250 4x4 < '88 Bronco ---- my goodness ben, ever heard of a torque wrench???? ;) that guy that thinks cross threads are as good as lock washers must not have been around to see the aftermath... I've seen cross threaded nuts slide right off after getting their threads stripped off... mostly happens with hardened bolts/studs when the nut is a softer material... john ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:41:58 -0700 From: Clark Novak Subject: Re: fsj: Saga of the Narcoleptic Wagoneer > From: Brad Seevers > > I have used the wells for about a year and it has performed fine. But for > some reason I just don't feel comfortable about wells... I have no good > reason, I just suspect these are low quality units. I'm probably wrong, but > I just can't lose the feeling. The brand "Standard" or "Standard Blue > Streak" has a good rep and is one I feel comforable with. I had one of the Wells units go bad on me just six months after putting it in. The Judge would be idling at a stoplight or running down the freeway and just... die. Like someone turned off the key. Come to find out the Wells stuff is made in Guatemala or some such... I put in a new Borg unit and haven't had any trouble. > But I doubt I will ever buy a new one. The bone yards are a great place to > go shopping. Must be nice! No FSJs ever turn up in our yards down here. Too close to the border, I guess.. Clark Novak 87 GW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:47:31 -0700 From: Clark Novak Subject: fsj: Well, what's the skinny? So John, what about the lo-miles Waggy you were going to look at? Give us the scoop. Inquiring minds want to know ! :) Clark 87 GW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:32:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Rubicon? all this talk of the Rubicon in August... Brad, Wes and Greg if you guys go down there... that would be cool... (well, actually not cool like here, since it'll be hotter than... oh you know what I mean... :) Well, let's see, Dan and Paul on the xj list have done it... Super Ken and RubiKen have done it in an FSJ... I wonder if a J10 would make it through without major body damage... :) Hmm... a rear locker, remove the fender flares, nerf bars for the cab, a bit of a lift, some big tires and voila... Problem is... that's a long drive... and it's hot down there... Probably the little wagoneer would be a better rig to do it in... but kind of miss the locker... maybe someday I'll be able to retire it as the wife's jeep and set it up for serious trail ABuse. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:35:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: ranchos and mirrors Got my 9000's in the mail today. :) a buddy with an xj (the hero of the goneturtle page) is gonna sell me the compressor and remote setup off of his! I may get serious about doing the lift this weekend... :) Just installed smaller side mirrors. They're half the size of the factory ones. Gonna keep the bigger ones in case I ever haul a large trailer, or maybe when I head back to Ouray in 2002... depends on how these little mirrors work out. I think they are 5x8, the others were 8x10... looking to reduce wind noise on the highway and increase fuel economy. :) Will take a picture in the morning... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: sleepy wag / lug nuts A: My instructor said tighten it till it comes easy, and back off a 1/2 turn! cyberwes wrote: A mechanic buddy of mine had two sayings which he used often, regarding torquing nuts and bolts. "turn it as tight as you can, then another half a turn" and "a cross-thread is as good as a lock washer!" He gave up wrenching for a living to build satellites in El Segundo, CA......YIKES! - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Reply-To: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:17:04 EDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:54:57 -0700 (PDT) =A0From: john (snip) =A0=A0=A0=A0I doubt my 5'7" and 170 or so (add 10 lbs) would do much damage if I stood on a four way spinner... maybe bend the spinner wrench... ;) I've yet to break a stud off of a vehicle... the wrenches or sockets always failed first. ;) Geez, John. You've gotta get better tools. I've only broken one socket (of my own) in my life. Those who know my wrenching won't let me put the last little bit of tight on a bolt cause I can twist off darn near anything. About the only thing I've never overtightened is a pitman arm nut. My buddy in Maine used to say that the only way I could tell when something was tight enough was after I put one too many turns on it. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: J-10 for sale :( I was looking for $1500 for the wagoneer... so I'd owe you $300. :) hey, bring your J10 over, I've got a digital camera... ;) btw, the list address is fsj-at-digest.net (not fsjlist...) john On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Ross Easterling wrote: >-->That's ironic, I also was thinking about $1,800. That would also include a >-->17' aluminum canoe and a fiberglass cap that now reside on stomper. This is >-->a great fishing rig for the area I live in. >-->Now, about the mileage. The odometer shows just under 25,000. I've always >-->believed it to be 125,000 but how does one know if it's not 225,000. I kind >-->of doubt it. I've put 13,000 on it in 4 years. >-->The previous owner claims the 360 has been rebuilt. I can't prove it and >-->have no documentation to support that claim but based on the way it runs and >-->the lack of blue smoke, I believe it. This truck runs, rides and drives >-->good. The body on the other hand........well, the hood, roof and doors all >-->look real good. >-->I'll get those current pictures out as soon as I get my hands on a digital >-->camera. Maybe tonight, this weekend for sure. >-->Thanks for putting this on your server John, good idea. Trade for a 77 wag?! >-->Sounds to good to be true. Logistics could present a problem, or I could end >-->up owing you money, etc........anyway, I'm itching to pay some bills soon. >-->But........If you get your wag back, and still have it around next >-->spring(income tax time)........ >-->Oh well, if the Lord wants me to have a wagoneer then I'll have one. Right >-->now I believe He's telling me to pay some bills and let tomorrow worry about >-->itself. >-->I think this weekend I'll stick a sign in stomper and park it by the highway >-->and see what happens. >--> >-->Ross >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:16:42 -0400 From: "Ross Easterling" Subject: fsj: 78 J-10 Can I get to Washington on $300 worth of gas???? Maybe about halfway. Oh no, my 11 year old boy is crying, maybe he's more attached than me. And my daughter wants to sell the house, she figures there's 6 of us and 3 vehicles, that's 2 to a vehicle. She thinks we can plug the computer into the lighter. Oh boy. Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: FSj axles A: I'm only 200 messages behind now! Whoopee! The '74? to pre '80 FSJs came with D44 front and rear (rear was offset). At 09:53 AM 6/14/00 -0400, Bob Mock wrote: which FSJ's have the D44 front and rear and have the front diff on the drivers side like the XJ's? I have a friend who just finished putting a set in his ZJ and now i'm quite interested. Bob from 1980 up SJ's have had a dana44 front with the diff on the driver's side. The dana44 rear varies, but seems to have showed up more often 86 and up... mostly model20's in the rear... john - ----- ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Which Case Is It? A: I put the question mark in because I wasn't sure (I wasn't up to crawling under. My greasy clothes were in Blackie at the time) So the NP203 is a LH drop? I thought they were RH like the QT? Was this maybe reclocked? It was a factory 3/4 ton rig. I think mid '82 was the NP229 switchover, because the one I had came from an '82 Wagoneer (03/'82) I keep hearing about people grafting together a NP203 and other cases to double the low range gear. That would be nice for those of us who don't want to lose out 2.72 gear highway gas mileage! I have the E addy of someone that makes the adapter kit for like $200. Brad wrote: Jim, The NP219 was at least an 80-82. My 82 manuals have it in them. I have an 83 manual also and I will try to remember to check it too. I have an 82 wag with a 219. Also, I think you are thinking about the NP203 t-case. It is a full time t-case. A 79 dodge should have had a NP203 and not an NP205. An 80 would have had the NP205 and 72 or 73 and earlier should have the NP205. The NP205 is a part time gear driver case. The NP203 is a full time chain driven (but with a cast iron case) t-case. - -brad Jim writes: A: The NP219 was '80/'81 only (although a few have shown up in '82s, the manual says '80-'81) The NP205 (I think that's the one) was a full time, with hubs, and had hi/lo like a NP219. I checked one out in a '79 Dodge 3/4 ton at the Monroe fest> Utah John wrote: Brian, John, and all: I believe the NP219 was only offered from '80 to '83, with A/T only, for all models except the J20. The NP 208 was offered for all models from '80 to '87. Joe Schaefer knows this stuff better than I do, maybe check with him? Utah John ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: 78 J-10 A: Put on Holley projection, and you'll make it at least 3/4 of the way! Ross=A0Easterling wrote: Can I get to Washington on $300 worth of gas???? Maybe about halfway. Oh no, my 11 year old boy is crying, maybe he's more attached than me. And my daughter wants to sell the house, she figures there's 6 of us and 3 vehicles, that's 2 to a vehicle. She thinks we can plug the computer into the lighter. Oh boy. Ross ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: Saga of the Narcoleptic Wagoneer These are the same units that were used in millions of fords cars and trucks! Don't limit your seary to FSJs! Just make sure they are the blue grommet Duraspark module. - -brad Clark writes: > Must be nice! No FSJs ever turn up in our yards down here. Too close to the > border, I guess.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:50:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Which Case Is It? The dodge version of the NP203 is RH drop. 79 dodges are RH drop. You did say this was a 79, right? Dodge didn't go to LH drop until many years later. The ford version of the 203 is LH drop. There were a couple of years of overlap for the NP229 and NP219. I think the parts manual lists the NP229 starting in 81 (but I'd hafta check to make sure). - -brad Jim writes: > A: I put the question mark in because I wasn't sure (I wasn't up to > crawling under. My greasy clothes were in Blackie at the time) So the > NP203 is a LH drop? I thought they were RH like the QT? Was this maybe > reclocked? It was a factory 3/4 ton rig. I think mid '82 was the NP229 > switchover, because the one I had came from an '82 Wagoneer (03/'82) I > keep hearing about people grafting together a NP203 and other cases to > double the low range gear. That would be nice for those of us who don't > want to lose out 2.72 gear highway gas mileage! I have the E addy of > someone that makes the adapter kit for like $200. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:59:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Which Case Is It? A: The VIN said '79, and the frame #s matched the VIN #, so I guess someone swapped it. The guy has a pic of when he bought it brand new in '79, and you can see the front axle was LH drop then. He did get it with a Super Duty option special order. Brad wrote: The dodge version of the NP203 is RH drop. 79 dodges are RH drop. You did say this was a 79, right? Dodge didn't go to LH drop until many years later. The ford version of the 203 is LH drop. There were a couple of years of overlap for the NP229 and NP219. I think the parts manual lists the NP229 starting in 81 (but I'd hafta check to make sure). - -brad Jim writes: A: I put the question mark in because I wasn't sure (I wasn't up to crawling under. My greasy clothes were in Blackie at the time) So the NP203 is a LH drop? I thought they were RH like the QT? Was this maybe reclocked? It was a factory 3/4 ton rig. I think mid '82 was the NP229 switchover, because the one I had came from an '82 Wagoneer (03/'82) I keep hearing about people grafting together a NP203 and other cases to double the low range gear. That would be nice for those of us who don't want to lose out 2.72 gear highway gas mileage! I have the E addy of someone that makes the adapter kit for like $200. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: re:engine compartment heat A: I wrote last year about putting 45 degree louver vents in the hood, and reversed scoops on the fenders for air to pass thru (works on firebirds!) From: "Chuck Scappaticci" Subject: fsj: 88 GW Engine Compartment Heat My question is what else can I do to improve air flow through the radiator and out of the engine compartment. =A0 I'm thinking about removing the evaporative canister (which blocks air flow, soaks up heat and makes the engine really hard to work on), removing the fan clutch (so the fan spins all of the time), putting on an aftermarket fan with more cfm. etc.. =A0 =A0 Any suggestions? =A0 Thanks... one thing you could do is to adjust your hood so it sits up in the back, use washers or something, and remove the rubber strip. I've done this before on mustangs and it works well at keeping the engine compartment cool and allowing more airflow... john ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:10:52 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: DOH! At 02:39 PM 6/16/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: >Don't back up with your spare tire off! http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/do-not-backup-with-spare-down.jpg > >************************************* >JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html >************************************** > > - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:38:43 -0400 From: "Ross Easterling" Subject: fsj: stomper(J-10)pics Here's the stomper pics. Use 'em how you want John. http://sterling.3av.com/stomper.html What's your swag now???? Thanks Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:55:51 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Olds 350 Diesel in a little Cheroke At 05:42 PM 6/16/00 -0500, Dave Read wrote: > >http://members.tripod.com/~A350Diesel/jeep.html I was gonna do this to Old Blue but didn't... someday dieseljohn will have a Diesel powered Jeep again... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:50:36 EDT From: UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: AMC 20 rear end I've noticed a lot of '80's vintage CJ's were plagued with AMC 20 rear axles with some kind of retainer clip that comes loose under trail use. Axle just kinda lets go and slides out with the wheel. Did the FSJ's have the same design? I've never heard anyone on the list complain about that. - --Vince '81 Wagoneer (Not a grand but just as dangerous) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:50:27 EDT From: UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Subject: Fwd: fsj: Re: DOH! - --part1_d9.593a0c1.267c1743_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Jim! Now your AMC looks kinda like a D44! Cool! I think I'll go right out and do this! Or maybe I can just back the Rez into a big rock! - --Vince > At 02:39 PM 6/16/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: > >Don't back up with your spare tire off! > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/do-not-backup-with-spare-down.jpg > - --part1_d9.593a0c1.267c1743_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.200]) by air-ye02.mx.aol.com (v74.17) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:06:28 -0400 Received: from krusty1.krusty-motorsports.com (krusty1.krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v74.17) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:06:04 -0400 Received: from majordomo by krusty1.krusty-motorsports.com with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 1334F2-000682-00 for fsj-out-at-digest.net; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:05:32 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000616151052.00812100-at-wagoneers.com> X-Sender: john-at-wagoneers.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:10:52 -0700 To: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: DOH! Cc: fsj-at-digest.net In-Reply-To: <22484-394A9E9B-9389-at-storefull-257.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: john At 02:39 PM 6/16/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: >Don't back up with your spare tire off! http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/do-not-backup-with-spare-down.jpg > >************************************* >JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html >************************************** > > - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- - --part1_d9.593a0c1.267c1743_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:27:50 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: J10 for sale in the great north woods... stomper ok, you back east types, here's a deal you can't refuse! a J10, but not just any J10, a J10 that comes with a canopy, and a canoe!!! contact our man on the scene: "Ross Easterling" http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/78-J10-RossEasterling/ Here's the deal, you will need to pry his family off of this thing... seems they've grown attached to it... but they need something everyone can ride in... SO, buy his J10 and give him enough money so he can fly out here and by my 77 Wagoneer and drive it back to Michigan so his family will be happy again... Seems they're committed FSJ types. Let's open the bidding at $2,500... I might even be able to help find a bumper and fenders... :) The engine might have been rebuilt by the previous owner... I've already got two J-trucks, and two wagoneers... (one of each size. ;) I'm sure Ross would be up for a local trade. He needs a vehicle his family will fit into... later, john ============================================================= The just shall live by Faith... Der Gerechte wird aus Glauben leben... Mas El Justo vivira Por Fe... Le Juste vivra par la foi... Habakkuk 2:4b, Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 10:38 ============================================================= Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 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