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fsj-digest Sunday, August 7 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3761
Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Digest Coordinator
Contents:
RE: fsj: amc v8 dual exhaust
RE: fsj: amc v8 dual exhaust
fsj: assorted shots and another short road trip
fsj: Dual Exhaust
fsj: Omega
fsj: Re: [db] Omega
fsj: truck is mobile
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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:30:05 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: amc v8 dual exhaust
Most of the dual exhaust boost was from an added 4 bbl and slight timing
advancement.
Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will
like them only Entangle and hold the poor and
weak, while the rich and powerful will easily
break through them
ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC)
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:52:10 -0600
> From: tsp-at-crptruck.com
> To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net
> Subject: fsj: amc v8 dual exhaust
>
> I was looking at the Wikipedia entry for AMC v-8s:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_V8_engine
>
> There is a long chart of HP / TQ ratings. I noticed the 360 and 401's
> had dual exhaust options available (Example year 1974.)
> The dual exhaust setups add 20-25HP in the ratings. That seems quite a
> substantial difference to me, especially for that era.
>
> Does anyone know, or can conjecture if there were other differences that
> would account for it, such as Cat. Converter vs. Non-Cat... State of CA
> vs. Federal emissions or other differences? I'd especially like to know
> how big the single exhaust was compared to the dual?? The bottom-line
> question is how much/ big exhaust is an ideal size?
>
> FWIW, there is a noticeable difference between 2B and 4B setups too.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> -Troy
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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:36:17 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: amc v8 dual exhaust
4 bbl and dual exhaust along with a few degrees of timing advance makes the
difference
Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will
like them only Entangle and hold the poor and
weak, while the rich and powerful will easily
break through them
ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC)
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:52:10 -0600
> From: tsp-at-crptruck.com
> To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net
> Subject: fsj: amc v8 dual exhaust
>
> I was looking at the Wikipedia entry for AMC v-8s:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_V8_engine
>
> There is a long chart of HP / TQ ratings. I noticed the 360 and 401's
> had dual exhaust options available (Example year 1974.)
> The dual exhaust setups add 20-25HP in the ratings. That seems quite a
> substantial difference to me, especially for that era.
>
> Does anyone know, or can conjecture if there were other differences that
> would account for it, such as Cat. Converter vs. Non-Cat... State of CA
> vs. Federal emissions or other differences? I'd especially like to know
> how big the single exhaust was compared to the dual?? The bottom-line
> question is how much/ big exhaust is an ideal size?
>
> FWIW, there is a noticeable difference between 2B and 4B setups too.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> -Troy
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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 22:01:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: assorted shots and another short road trip
finally had a clear night... only one this week...
http://fotomeister.us/2011/08-Aug-04-mtns-n-STARS/ALL.html
I think we've seen temps in the 70s a couple of times... I think we've actually broken 80 once this summer,
is it summer? :)
heading down to portland on Sunday, will run down I-5 to Longview, then jog over to the coast along the
lewis and clark trail, down to Astoria, Cannon Beach, maybe tillamook then over to Portland...
picking up AMSOIL at the warehouse on Monday and heading back home...
still have room for more synthetic oil... :) if you're between Portland, OR and the canadian border can save
you shipping... just let me know...
also will check on Superdawg, will try to bring home any lose pieces and
plan on bringing the entire project home very soon.
will be taking my TDI Jetta wagon... the AT in my wife's TDI Jetta sedan is still doing goofy things between
2nd and 3rd at mid throttle with a new valve body... anyone an expert on the TDI Automatics around 2002 so
I can tell aamco what they need to do to fix this properly... it wouldn't be such a hassle if the shop wasn't 25 miles
away from us...
john
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-o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all
Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold
http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461
http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us
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Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 01:40:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Wallace <wallacem7-at-aol.com>
Subject: fsj: Dual Exhaust
20 to 25 HP sounds very high to me for the difference between single and dual
exhaust. The only thing I can think of that would make that much difference is
that those early catalytic converters added a lot of back pressure. that being
said I have run both single and dual exhaust and I don't see that much if any
difference in power. I have also on occasion run straight pipes (nobody cared
when I lived in Detroit and in New Mexico there is not much that you get int
trouble for with regard to your car. AMC cylinder heads from the early 70s on
breathe well and the large lifter diameter allows for a much more aggressive
cam than a small block Chevy. The Stock AMC V8s big problem was that like all
these 70's smog motors in that it had no compression.
So my Dual Exhaust system was twin glass packs, I think running two inch
pipes. Both glass packs on the passenger side of the driveshaft and dumping in
front of the rear axle. (good way to draft a lot of exhaust) My single exhaust
was a single two and one half inch three chamber Flowmaster (series 50?)
dumping in the stock location. My current exhaust is scattered in bits and
pieces here and there with bits of newspaper shoved into the exhaust ports.
The rest of my engine configuration is AMC 360, .030 overbore, three angle
valve grind, The deck and heads have been cut to straighten them out.
Edelbrock Performer intake, Melling RV cam (nearly identical grind to an
Edelbrock Performer) and both exhaust configurations ran with a 600 CFM vacuum
secondary Holley Carb (which has since been replaced with a 650 CFM Carter
AFB). I am still running the stock cast exhaust manifolds. My compression is
probably 9:1. (If I built the engine today it would be at least 10.5:1 or
maybe 11:1 and fuel injected and i would just run it on E85.)
I never was able to tell any difference in power between all three
configurations. Wide open throttle with straight pipes however is absolutely
deafening. The dual glasspacks were loud and have the dual exhaust drone, and
the single Flowmaster is also loud, but I think that has more to do with the
cam than anything else. I have a two chamber Flowmaster (series 44?) on my
Daily Driver Dodge Dakota and it is pretty quiet due to the very mild stock
cam in the 318. (The girl thinks it is loud, but she is on my case about
getting a hearing aid too) I have run the Dakota with stock exhaust (drove it
home) straight pipes, and the single Flowmaster and again I can't tell a
difference in power.
Mark
81 Wag
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Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 20:03:57 +0000
From: john <fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com>
Subject: fsj: Omega
Just learned that the current owner of Omega has to sell, now. Divorce, job loss and two dead batteries. It's in Baltimore, I think. Somewhere back there.
Other than the batteries, I believe Omega would be capable of a cross country drive. Would expect 20-24 mpg.
I don't know how much it will sell for yet, I will have to borrow to buy even if free. ;)
Not sure what I will sell to pay for it. The jetta wagon, one of my j10s. If I set up a wvo heater on the aux tank I can drive for free. Should have 10gals of wvo for free a week.
Anyone on the east coast able to assist, maybe even drive it to seattle?
I don't know the overall condition. The owner seemed to have good tastes and class but has fallen on hard times because of the economy and a divorce, a divorce that I'm not unconvinced wasn't brought about in part because of omega. I'm sure it would have happened any way but the dynamics of it all didn't help. Feel bad for them on all counts.
Waiting to hear back and will consider it another adventure and most certainly bring my bride along for all the fun. She loves road trips and knows by the time I'm done swapping and selling and wheeling and dealing it'll all work out. The Lord is most gracious and merciful.
I'm willing to walk on this deal, so if it doesn't work I would like someone to rescue Omega and this situation.
Omega was my white 91 Grand Wagoneer with a low mileage 6.2 Diesel, rebuilt 700r4 and np219 with 4.10s and 31s, dual tanks, factory sunroof. I had the a/c working.
It only got 16mpg in town. But wvo is free.
Omega was nice, but it didn't break my heart to part with him. But a GW is more useful than a J10, at least in the eyes of my wife and kids.
If I can swing it and it'll make it to seattle I'm going to go for it. Pray for me to have wisdom, I've given up on sanity. ;).
Tempted in Snohomish.
John
__john_at_http://wagoneers.com__
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Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 22:14:59 +0000
From: john <fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Omega
Is there any other size? :)
I don't know if this will work out or not. It all depends on the math.
Would be a nice road trip though.
__john_at_http://wagoneers.com__
- -----Original Message-----
From: "Greg Fiorentino" <gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 13:24:11
To: <john-at-wagoneers.com>; <WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com>; 'dbl'<diesel-benz-at-digest.net>; 'FSJ'<fsj-at-digest.net>; 'xj'<xj-at-digest.net>; 'Fred Parker'<Fparker24-at-verizon.net>; 'David-home'<DZAshby-at-verizon.net>; 'Terry-au'<timesawastin-at-bigpond.com>; 'Parker D Coffman'<Parker.D.Coffman-at-boeing.com>
Subject: RE: [db] Omega
Break out the mega-size popcorn containers!!!
Greg
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On
Behalf Of john
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:04 PM
To: WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; dbl; FSJ; xj; Fred Parker; David-home;
Terry-au; Parker D Coffman; J
Subject: [db] Omega
Just learned that the current owner of Omega has to sell, now. Divorce, job
loss and two dead batteries. It's in Baltimore, I think. Somewhere back
there.
Other than the batteries, I believe Omega would be capable of a cross
country drive. Would expect 20-24 mpg.
I don't know how much it will sell for yet, I will have to borrow to buy
even if free. ;)
Not sure what I will sell to pay for it. The jetta wagon, one of my j10s.
If I set up a wvo heater on the aux tank I can drive for free. Should have
10gals of wvo for free a week.
Anyone on the east coast able to assist, maybe even drive it to seattle?
I don't know the overall condition. The owner seemed to have good tastes and
class but has fallen on hard times because of the economy and a divorce, a
divorce that I'm not unconvinced wasn't brought about in part because of
omega. I'm sure it would have happened any way but the dynamics of it all
didn't help. Feel bad for them on all counts.
Waiting to hear back and will consider it another adventure and most
certainly bring my bride along for all the fun. She loves road trips and
knows by the time I'm done swapping and selling and wheeling and dealing
it'll all work out. The Lord is most gracious and merciful.
I'm willing to walk on this deal, so if it doesn't work I would like someone
to rescue Omega and this situation.
Omega was my white 91 Grand Wagoneer with a low mileage 6.2 Diesel, rebuilt
700r4 and np219 with 4.10s and 31s, dual tanks, factory sunroof. I had the
a/c working.
It only got 16mpg in town. But wvo is free.
Omega was nice, but it didn't break my heart to part with him. But a GW is
more useful than a J10, at least in the eyes of my wife and kids.
If I can swing it and it'll make it to seattle I'm going to go for it.
Pray for me to have wisdom, I've given up on sanity. ;).
Tempted in Snohomish.
John
__john_at_http://wagoneers.com__
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Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 23:35:36 -0500
From: Kim Tesar <ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net>
Subject: fsj: truck is mobile
Hi all, I got the steering gear put on the truck and made a few
treks around the neighborhood. Since I put the poly spring isolators
on, it lowered the truck by about a 1/2" I like it though.
Since I have low compression/vacuum, I plugged the PCV inlet air, and
the truck ran much better after that. There's plenty of inlet air
coming past the rings into the crankcase.
Not sure what the final configuraton will be. I have yet to pull out
the big guns -> 20W-50 and a bottle of Rislone compression fix.
I have a question on the front shackles...which side should be to the
front? I currently have the convex side to the front, as if it is
shielding the inside of the shackle, you know, the most aerodynamic
way. Inspection is coming up. Looking forward to that.
- - Landon
79 J10 258
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