From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Aug 18 19:21:25 2011 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, August 19 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3775 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. Re: fsj: 1989 GW purchase for a restoration project Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:45:35 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag The last viscous coupling I saw for sale was over $700 here in the States. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place... On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:32 PM, T.Halmshaw wrote: > On 19/08/2011 8:24:40 AM, Ken Gaines (arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com) wrote: > > When I finally get the thing home > > I'll dig into the t-case linkage stuff. I > > really don't know how to tell > > if there are any parts missing there or not. > > Is there supposed to be some sort of intermediate linkage rod between > > that > > lever arm and the t-case itself? > > *Well not on ours, we have a single rod for the 229 and the vacuum hoses > and that's it, pretty simple setup and quite reliable, the only thing that > usually fails and that's rarely is the viscous coupling, but they are cheap > and easy to replace if you know what you're doing while poking around > in a Xfer case. > > I have a guide for doing it if need be :). > > Sorry for all these late replies, but I woke this morning with something > like > 60 emails waiting for me :). > > I will get to the finish line.* > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:48:03 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. It may well be the same as in an XJ. I priced the same console here (on teamwagoneers.com) and it looked exactly like that one...and they wanted around $600 or so for it IIRC. I found one on eBay for $149 too. Both were for a Waggy. Maybe Jeep used the same one in both vehicles. Would kind of make sense. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:56 PM, T.Halmshaw wrote: > *Isn't that roof console from an XJ?, that's what we had here > (Australia), > the GW had an entirely different one here......oh the little oddities :) > > *On 18/08/2011 1:01:37 PM, 115107539182042919519 (arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com) > wrote: > > Ken's 1989 GW Purchase > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=104534363165030459929 > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:54:20 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: 1989 GW purchase for a restoration project I know you weren't bashing me. I had no idea fuel was so expensive overseas. I thought it was bad here at nearly $4.00 a gallon. Yours looks great! It's good to see a Waggy from down under that has been cared for. Finish it up just for good measure and to keep yourself sane. I mean, you already have a bunch of money tied up in it. Sure would be a shame to let all of that go to waste. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:46 PM, T.Halmshaw wrote: > *Trust me Ken I was not rubbishing your purchase, remember our fuel > is twice the price of yours so the FSJ is worthless here, I should have > mentioned that prior, we pay $6.50 a gallon and for a truck that is lucky > to get 13mpg they are simply not a viable option to run here. > > I think I am just getting old and spoiled, my FSJ's were very hard to find > parks for in town, all the bloody shoe boxes on the roads have caused the > councils to down size the parking spots, dual zone climate control, cruise > control that works, power windows that don't fail, traction control etc > just > puts more pressure on me to scrap my FSJ project because I feel I will > be disappointed with it when I am done anyway. > > Most of the work has been done on my FSJ, I swear I could finish it in two > weeks, paint and everything, I have a near new interior to go in, the > engine > is fresh, suspension is all brand new, never even used yet, new windscreen, > I mean the car was great before I pulled it off the road, I just can't find > any > justification to throw more money at it, but I may lose my marbles and do > it > anyway as I do love the FSJ so very much, they are a marque of their own > and they sure do attract attention..........we'll see. > > Images attached. * > > On 19/08/2011 8:29:23 AM, Ken Gaines (arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com) wrote: > > Strange...I really > > didn't think $1050 was all that much for a running Wag in > > decent shape with only a few minor issues (other than cosmetics) to iron > > out. I have seen them go for much more. I had one guy just a bit north of > > here that wanted $2000 for one that was barely running and may or may not > > have made the 145 mile trip from Arkansas to Shreveport. > > > > The full restoration isn't > > an investment to me. It is more of a way to take > > something decent and turn it into a very nice family style road > > warrior/kid > > hauler. I like the size and reliability factors...and the > > safety. Most of > > all, I just like the old Waggys. This one looks like a diamond in the > > rough > > to me. > > On Aug 18, 2011 4 <20114>:54 PM, "T.Halmshaw" > wrote: > > > It's amazing isn't it?, yesterday John told me I was paying to much for > > a > > > 99 WJ V8 full house with a crook engine (nothing serious) yet for > > $1050 > > > for this GW I think is too much money, I have scrapped way better that > > > I paid way less for. > > > > > > Love is in the eyes of the beholder, perhaps I am just getting old and > > can't > > > be bothered with full restorations anymore, the > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:01:37 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. Oh it will go off road some but it certainly won't see any hardcore wheeling or rock crawling. I have a 2008 4 <20084>-dr Wrangler Sahara on 5" of lift and 35" tires that I would 'wheel before I would take a restored classic out on a hardcore trail. That's why I built the Wrangler up like I did. The Waggy will go off road on beaches and maybe mild stuff to amp sites and lake sides. Nothing much more technical than that. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:57 PM, T.Halmshaw wrote: > On 19/08/2011 8:48:03 AM, Ken Gaines (arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com) wrote: > > It may well be the same as in an XJ. I priced the same console here (on > > teamwagoneers.com) and it looked exactly like that one...and they wanted > > around $600 or so for it IIRC. I found one on eBay for $149 too. Both > > were > > for a Waggy. Maybe Jeep used the same one in both vehicles. Would kind of > > make sense. > > *I will see if I can find one from over here, very much differs to yours, > but identical > to my XJ, problem is GW's are rare here, Australia was not a luxury car > market > until the late 80's, prior to that if you had power windows you were rich. > > The GW was priced well out of the 4X4 scene here to and no one could see > reason to purchase a GW when you were supposed to be going off road in > them, > Landcruisers still outsell Jeeps here, I have owned pretty much all Jap > 4X4's and > none come close to a Jeep, people are set in their ways, but I must agree I > would > not purchase a luxury GW to take off road and my vanity does not stretch > that far > that I would own one for the sake of out doing my neighbor :) > * > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:56 PM, T.Halmshaw > com>wrote: > > > > > *Isn't that roof console from an XJ?, that's what we had here > > > (Australia), > > > the GW had an entirely different one here......oh the little oddities > > :) > > > > > > *On 18/08/2011 1:01:37 PM, 115107539182042919519 (arklatexgeo-at-gmail. > > com) > > > wrote: > > > > Ken's 1989 GW Purchase > > > > > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=104534363165030459929 > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ken Gaines > > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > > Red River Oil > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:31:18 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. I used CJs for what you refer to as bush bashing. If I find another good CJ base to build up I'll get that too...after I finish this Waggy project. CJ projects can get very in-depth and even more expensive than a full restoration like this one. Building up the last engine I had in a CJ cost me a LOT of money but it had TBI on it, an nice racing ignition, and a bunch of other goodies. This Waggy is going to be bone stock except for a few small mods like a better ignition system and maybe eventually an EFI system of some kind. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 6:08 PM, T.Halmshaw wrote: > At 09:01 AM 19/08/2011, you wrote: > > Oh it will go off road some but it certainly won't see any hardcore > wheeling > or rock crawling. I have a 2008 4 <20084> <20084>-dr Wrangler Sahara on 5" > of lift > > and 35" tires that I would 'wheel before I would take a restored classic > out > on a hardcore trail. That's why I built the Wrangler up like I did. The > Waggy will go off road on beaches and maybe mild stuff to amp sites and > lake > sides. Nothing much more technical than that. > > > *Well if I finish mine it will see nothing but country trails, my XJ's are > for full on > bush bashing, I just retired one here that I bought four years ago, it was > like > new when I bought it.......very second hand now, just waiting for my new > one > to arrive from Sydney, I will take better care of this one, only 180,000kms > and > like new. > > Now that I know how good the XJ's are I will take better care of it, the > one I just > retired got beaten so bad off road I bent my bullbar, draglink both lower > control > arms and ruined my rear springs, she still runs like a tank, but the body > and > underside are a little worse for wear :). > > > * > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:57 PM, T.Halmshaw >wrote: > > > On 19/08/2011 8:48:03 AM, Ken Gaines (arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com) wrote: > > > It may well be the same as in an XJ. I priced the same console here (on > > > teamwagoneers.com) and it looked exactly like that one...and they > wanted > > > around $600 or so for it IIRC. I found one on eBay for $149 too. Both > > > were > > > for a Waggy. Maybe Jeep used the same one in both vehicles. Would kind > of > > > make sense. > > > > *I will see if I can find one from over here, very much differs to yours, > > but identical > > to my XJ, problem is GW's are rare here, Australia was not a luxury car > > market > > until the late 80's, prior to that if you had power windows you were > rich. > > > > The GW was priced well out of the 4X4 scene here to and no one could see > > reason to purchase a GW when you were supposed to be going off road in > > them, > > Landcruisers still outsell Jeeps here, I have owned pretty much all Jap > > 4X4's and > > none come close to a Jeep, people are set in their ways, but I must agree > I > > would > > not purchase a luxury GW to take off road and my vanity does not stretch > > that far > > that I would own one for the sake of out doing my neighbor :) > > * > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:56 PM, T.Halmshaw > > com>wrote: > > > > > > > *Isn't that roof console from an XJ?, that's what we had here > > > > (Australia), > > > > the GW had an entirely different one here......oh the little oddities > > > :) > > > > > > > > *On 18/08/2011 1:01:37 PM, 115107539182042919519 (arklatexgeo-at-gmail. > > > com) > > > > wrote: > > > > > Ken's 1989 GW Purchase > > > > > > > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=104534363165030459929 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ken Gaines > > > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > > > Red River Oil > > > > > > -- > Ken Gaines > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > Red River Oil & Gas, LLC > (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office > (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile > > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > http://www.rrog.net > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6390 (20110818) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:44:24 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. I know all about retrofitting EFI onto an AMC V-8. I did it with a junkyard TBI unit stolen off on an old police cruiser and a few other parts I cobbled together. This time IF I do it, I will probably go with something like an Edelbrock Pro Flo II MPFI system. I know how expensive they are for sure. I looked today...$3300 for the whole thing. Here's a link to what I did to my old CJ...happy reading http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254063 I learned a LOT about EFI in the process of cobbling that system together. It wasn't easy to learn but once I had it all together it ran beautifully for an old Jeep with 1990's technology grafted on the top of the engine. That system couple with the Accel ignition system made the old tired AMC V8 wake up and smell the coffee. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 6:38 PM, T.Halmshaw wrote: > I would definitely go for a diesel rather then petrol, lots of kits > around that are not expensive, a fuel injected engine and module/ > wiring etc will set you back a fortune and be a pain to fit, unless > you go for some old mechanical injection system in which case > I wish you more luck then with the later versions. > > Diesels are cheap, pretty easy to fit and if you do what John does > and use WVO cost nothing to run. > > This is why I will probably buy the WJ as it's all there and ready to go, > just have to repair the engine and after being a mechanic for longer then > I care to remember will be EZPZ. > > This is the one I want. > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/**eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=** > 270799891906&ssPageName=STRK:**MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.**l2649 > > > On 19/08/2011 9:31:18 AM, Ken Gaines (arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com) wrote: > > I used CJs for what you refer to as bush bashing. If I find another good > > CJ base to build up > > I'll get that too...after I finish this Waggy project. CJ projects can > get very in-depth and even more expensive than a full restoration like this > one. Building up the last engine I had in a CJ cost me a LOT of money but it > had TBI on it, an nice racing ignition, and a bunch of other goodies. > > This Waggy is going to be bone stock except for a few small mods like a > better ignition system and maybe eventually an EFI system of some kind. > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 6:08 PM, T.Halmshaw timesawastin-at-bigpond.**com ]> wrote: > > At 09:01 AM 19/08/2011, you wrote: > > > > Oh it will go off road some but it certainly won't > > see any hardcore wheeling > > > > or rock crawling. I have a 2008 4 <20084> [link: tel:20084] <20084>-dr > Wrangler > > > Sahara on 5" of lift > > and 35" tires that I would > > 'wheel before I would take a restored classic out > > on a hardcore trail. That's > > why I built the Wrangler up like I did. The > > Waggy will go off road on beaches and maybe mild stuff to amp sites and > > lake > > sides. Nothing much more technical than that. > > > > Well if I finish mine it > > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:52:00 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. Junkyard parts were the way I decided to go. I was in grad school at the time and working on a very limited budget. Several people told me to forget it and swap in a Chevy 350. I wouldn't have any part of that in a Jeep! It was either an AMC engine or nothing for me at that point. The EFI thing is just a pipedream at this point. I am lucky I actually have a Waggy to play with. That is the stuff of dreams....and will only happen if the wife concurs that I can spend the coin to do it. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:16 PM, T.Halmshaw wrote: > *Ken: > > Your parts are a lot cheaper then ours, I did a conversion a few years > back Holden 308 naturally aspirated to an EFI, all parts came from a > re-stroked 308 this was done late 80's to a 304 for unleaded fuel. > > Holden is a GM company like Opel, etc for the life of me I could not > talk the customer into a full engine swap 304 bolts straight in to where > a 308 once lived, for a full engine swap including all required components > it was $2500.00 for me to do the work and supply all the required parts > it cost well over $5000.00, I quoted $3500.00 to do the job with the 304, > so it cost almost $2000.00 more to do it the customers way rather then > take my advice and do the swap............some people. > > To top things off the owner only kept the car for 6 months then sold it for > > $2500.00, I had a bit of a giggle at that. > > * > On 19/08/2011 9:44:24 AM, Ken Gaines (arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com) wrote: > > I know all about retrofitting EFI onto an AMC V-8. I did it with a > > junkyard TBI unit stolen off on an old police cruiser and a few other > parts > > I cobbled together. This time IF I do it, I will probably go with > > something like an Edelbrock Pro Flo II MPFI system. I know how expensive > > they are for sure. I looked today...$3300 for the whole thing. > > Here's a link to what I did to my old CJ...happy reading > > > > http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254063 > > > > I learned a LOT about EFI in the process of cobbling that system > together. It wasn't > > easy to learn but once I had it all together it ran beautifully for an > old > > Jeep with > > 1990's technology grafted on the top of the engine. That system couple > with the Accel ignition system made the old tired AMC V8 wake up and smell > the coffee. > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 6:38 PM, T.Halmshaw timesawastin-at-bigpond.com]> wrote: > > I would definitely go for a diesel rather then petrol, lots of kits > > around that are not expensive, a fuel injected engine and module/ > > wiring etc will set you back a fortune and be a pain to fit, unless > > you go for some old mechanical injection system in which case > > I wish you more luc > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:26:15 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. I want Diesel. Will set up to run on wvo. Have an extra sd33t. :) __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Gaines Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:52:00 To: T.Halmshaw; Reply-To: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. Junkyard parts were the way I decided to go. I was in grad school at the time and working on a very limited budget. Several people told me to forget it and swap in a Chevy 350. I wouldn't have any part of that in a Jeep! It was either an AMC engine or nothing for me at that point. The EFI thing is just a pipedream at this point. I am lucky I actually have a Waggy to play with. That is the stuff of dreams....and will only happen if the wife concurs that I can spend the coin to do it. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:16 PM, T.Halmshaw wrote: > *Ken: > > Your parts are a lot cheaper then ours, I did a conversion a few years > back Holden 308 naturally aspirated to an EFI, all parts came from a > re-stroked 308 this was done late 80's to a 304 for unleaded fuel. > > Holden is a GM company like Opel, etc for the life of me I could not > talk the customer into a full engine swap 304 bolts straight in to where > a 308 once lived, for a full engine swap including all required components > it was $2500.00 for me to do the work and supply all the required parts > it cost well over $5000.00, I quoted $3500.00 to do the job with the 304, > so it cost almost $2000.00 more to do it the customers way rather then > take my advice and do the swap............some people. > > To top things off the owner only kept the car for 6 months then sold it for > > $2500.00, I had a bit of a giggle at that. > > * > On 19/08/2011 9:44:24 AM, Ken Gaines (arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com) wrote: > > I know all about retrofitting EFI onto an AMC V-8. I did it with a > > junkyard TBI unit stolen off on an old police cruiser and a few other > parts > > I cobbled together. This time IF I do it, I will probably go with > > something like an Edelbrock Pro Flo II MPFI system. I know how expensive > > they are for sure. I looked today...$3300 for the whole thing. > > Here's a link to what I did to my old CJ...happy reading > > > > http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254063 > > > > I learned a LOT about EFI in the process of cobbling that system > together. It wasn't > > easy to learn but once I had it all together it ran beautifully for an > old > > Jeep with > > 1990's technology grafted on the top of the engine. That system couple > with the Accel ignition system made the old tired AMC V8 wake up and smell > the coffee. > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 6:38 PM, T.Halmshaw timesawastin-at-bigpond.com]> wrote: > > I would definitely go for a diesel rather then petrol, lots of kits > > around that are not expensive, a fuel injected engine and module/ > > wiring etc will set you back a fortune and be a pain to fit, unless > > you go for some old mechanical injection system in which case > > I wish you more luc > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:20:28 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: 115107539182042919519 shared an album with you. When I tackled this thing I used this thing called an AUTOPROM to read the data and tune the engine/chip. I think it is still available. Check out www.moates.net. If he is still doing EFI stuff I would be willing to bet he still has one of these laying around. The chip tuning thing is pretty easy. Move fuel table values up and down until you can get your BLM numbers to 128 across to board...or close anyway. The computer was a 1228746 GM EM. It was programmed with a base BIN file called ANLU5356 ($61 code mask IIRC)...also called the "cop car BIN." This base BIN is available at the www.diy-efi.orgsite. It was about as close as I could come to the 360 numbers using an off the shelf BIN. It worked well and would probably work well for your 401. If already have a GM system, your ECM probably has number 1227747 or 1228746. To be able to burn chips with this set up, you have to modify the ECM to accept an flash ROM (29C256 chip) instead of an EPROM. It is tricky to do but can be done by anyone who is handy with a soldering iron. The AUTOPROM can also be used to emulate the chip allowing you to tune the engine in real-time and burn the resulting BIN to the chip later. There is a lot more to it than this but this discussion should at least give you an idea of what is involved. Tuning my CJ engine with a laptop while driving down the road was a strange sight for many people in South Texas. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Dan Black wrote: > So what did you use for the computer, and how did you program it? > > I have a system cobbled together from Chevy TBI parts. I used to have > a smaller one on a 360, but now I have the bigger throttle body on a > 401. Unfortunately, after making the swap, the guy who put the system > together dropped off the face of the earth and never programmed it > right like he did with the smaller one. > > So I'm wondering if there's any way to get it programmed right. I > have a laptop that I used to get logs, and then he'd adjust it, and I > have a chip burner and stuff. I'd love to get it running smoothly > again. > > Or if you want to buy a project truck... ;) > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 18:44, Ken Gaines wrote: > > I know all about retrofitting EFI onto an AMC V-8. I did it with a > junkyard > > TBI unit stolen off on an old police cruiser and a few other parts I > cobbled > > together. This time IF I do it, I will probably go with something like an > > Edelbrock Pro Flo II MPFI system. I know how expensive they are for sure. > I > > looked today...$3300 for the whole thing. > > Here's a link to what I did to my old CJ...happy reading > > > > http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254063 > > > > I learned a LOT about EFI in the process of cobbling that system > together. > > It wasn't easy to learn but once I had it all together it ran beautifully > > for an old Jeep with 1990's technology grafted on the top of the engine. > > That system couple with the Accel ignition system made the old tired AMC > V8 > > wake up and smell the coffee. > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 6:38 PM, T.Halmshaw >wrote: > > > >> I would definitely go for a diesel rather then petrol, lots of kits > >> around that are not expensive, a fuel injected engine and module/ > >> wiring etc will set you back a fortune and be a pain to fit, unless > >> you go for some old mechanical injection system in which case > >> I wish you more luck then with the later versions. > >> > >> Diesels are cheap, pretty easy to fit and if you do what John does > >> and use WVO cost nothing to run. > >> > >> This is why I will probably buy the WJ as it's all there and ready to > go, > >> just have to repair the engine and after being a mechanic for longer > then > >> I care to remember will be EZPZ. > >> > >> This is the one I want. > >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/**eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=** > >> 270799891906&ssPageName=STRK:**MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.**l2649< > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270799891906&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 > > > >> > >> > >> On 19/08/2011 9:31:18 AM, Ken Gaines (arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com) wrote: > >> > I used CJs for what you refer to as bush bashing. If I find another > good > >> > CJ base to build up > >> > I'll get that too...after I finish this Waggy project. CJ projects can > >> get very in-depth and even more expensive than a full restoration like > this > >> one. Building up the last engine I had in a CJ cost me a LOT of money > but it > >> had TBI on it, an nice racing ignition, and a bunch of other goodies. > >> > This Waggy is going to be bone stock except for a few small mods like > a > >> better ignition system and maybe eventually an EFI system of some kind. > >> > > >> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 6:08 PM, T.Halmshaw mailto: > >> timesawastin-at-bigpond.**com ]> wrote: > >> > At 09:01 AM 19/08/2011, you wrote: > >> > > >> > Oh it will go off road some but it certainly won't > >> > see any hardcore wheeling > >> > > >> > or rock crawling. I have a 2008 4 <20084> <20084> [link: tel:20084] > <20084>-dr > >> Wrangler > >> > >> > Sahara on 5" of lift > >> > and 35" tires that I would > >> > 'wheel before I would take a restored classic out > >> > on a hardcore trail. That's > >> > why I built the Wrangler up like I did. The > >> > Waggy will go off road on beaches and maybe mild stuff to amp sites > and > >> > lake > >> > sides. Nothing much more technical than that. > >> > > >> > Well if I finish mine it > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Ken Gaines > > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > > Red River Oil & Gas, LLC > > (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office > > (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile > > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > > http://www.rrog.net > > > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 <%28318%29227-4870> Office (318) 422-5731 <%28318%29422-5731> Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3775 **************************