From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Sep 15 23:39:00 2011 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, September 16 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3808 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: xj: RE: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics Re: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics Re: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics Re: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:57:01 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: xj: RE: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics > > it does it sometimes in other gears, at least for my wife, > not so much for me... > > speed sensor? why would that affect the 1-2 shift? > > I'm going to have to take this thing to a dealership and have > them run an analysis... have a "free" coupon to use... :) > > maybe tomorrow I'll run it in... have to chase some benz parts too. > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Jim Blair wrote: > > # Possibly 1-2 solenoid OR the speed sensor has a flat spot. Does it have vacuum > # boosted brakes? If so, then it'll have a vacuum pump. If not, then with the > # possible exception of the heater controls, there is nothing vacuum controlled > # on the car. > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:53:22 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: > # > Subject: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics > # > > # > since there isn't a specific list for TDIs, have a question that other > # listers might be able to answer. > # > > # > On our 2002 Jetta TDI sedan with the 01N automatic and ALH engine, the > # transmission has issues shifiting from 1-2 under > # > heavy acceleration, not always, but some of the time. it's like it falls > # on its face when shifting... it lurches, and > # > just drops... picks back up and goes on... hard to describe but it's quite > # unnerving when you plant your foot and head out > # > into traffic... > # > > # > The transmission is under warranty by aamco and they're working with us, but > # their level of incompetence has wasted weeks > # > of time and I'm ready to take it to Dave's Transmission in Lynnwood and have > # them fix it and pursue reimbursement from aamco, > # > in the court system if necessary. Getting tired of incompetence... you pay > # a bloody fortune for labor and you get > # > mediocrity at best... why is it that a shop will replace a radiator and > # ignore soft hoses??? Jim Startup's in Everett, WA > # > is now on my don't go there list... charged me $14 for a gallon of > # antifreeze, sent my benz out with a leaking upper rad > # > hose and bad clamp.. another shop looked at the antifreeze and said it was > # really some nasty old crap... but that's another gripe... > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > anyway... the "techs" at aamco believe the problem is my Diesel TDI, that > # it's "torque" is causing the transmission to > # > shift badly, or in their terms, "it's not the transmission, but the engine > # that stumbles". This is the same guy standing > # > there telling me that my EGR valve was a throttle body... and that my > # vaccuum lines (cloth covered stock lines) were "cracked". > # > > # > > # > Is there anything on a TDI that would cause the engine to stumble on > # shifting ONLY between first and second? > # > (I think I already know the answer, but have to provide overwhelming proof > # of their incompetence, and ask also with the slight possibility that > # > there may actually be something external to the transmission and on the TDI > # that could cause it to fall on its face in a shift... > # > Throttle Position? - but wouldn't it affect EVERY shift?) > # > > # > Is there anything in the vaccum connections that control shifting? - I have > # seen this to be an issue in Mercedes... and I know if > # > the vacuum lines aren't right on a TDI that the turbo wont' work correctly > # as well... > # > > # > > # > > # > I know that the TDI will spit up codes if anything isn't right on the > # engine... any sensor or indicator unplugged spits up codes pronto. > # > > # > I can't think of a thing that could cause this condition... but I want to > # ask the collective before proceeding. I am not (yet) a TDI > # > expert, but quickly heading that way... :) > # > > # > > # > thanx all for your wisdom and advice.... > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:24:16 +0200 From: Michel Balea Subject: Re: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics did a quick search on french speaking sites, after all they all drive thinking they are in a racing track.... recheck or replace the fuse of the injector pump. the MAP, and in some older modeles the issues during gear shifting was solved by reprogramming the CPU may not the same years or trany or engine.... http://www.golfiv.fr/problemes-diesel-mecaniques-f81/fiabilte-defauts-vices-caches-t1034.html http://imageshack.us/f/143/couleur00023yndl8.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/143/couleur00011dpym6.jpg/ The EGR is mentioned as well, especially if you have problem with cold or hot start. How many speeds.... does it appear between 3rd and 4th. Best, Michel On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:55 AM, john wrote: > the egr is controlled by vacuum, as is the turbo... if you disconnect > the vacuum lines on the firewall it's like driving a garden tractor... > every turbo Diesel I've owned has been like this... not sure why... > > well... I know the turbo quits working on VW and Renault... not sure > about my benz... :) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # Possibly 1-2 solenoid OR the speed sensor has a flat spot. Does it have > vacuum boosted brakes? If so, then it'll have a vacuum pump. If not, then > with the possible exception of the heater controls, there is nothing vacuum > controlled on the car. > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:53:22 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: > # > Subject: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics > # > > # > since there isn't a specific list for TDIs, have a question that other > listers might be able to answer. > # > > # > On our 2002 Jetta TDI sedan with the 01N automatic and ALH engine, the > transmission has issues shifiting from 1-2 under > # > heavy acceleration, not always, but some of the time. it's like it > falls on its face when shifting... it lurches, and > # > just drops... picks back up and goes on... hard to describe but it's > quite unnerving when you plant your foot and head out > # > into traffic... > # > > # > The transmission is under warranty by aamco and they're working with > us, but their level of incompetence has wasted weeks > # > of time and I'm ready to take it to Dave's Transmission in Lynnwood > and have them fix it and pursue reimbursement from aamco, > # > in the court system if necessary. Getting tired of incompetence... > you pay a bloody fortune for labor and you get > # > mediocrity at best... why is it that a shop will replace a radiator > and ignore soft hoses??? Jim Startup's in Everett, WA > # > is now on my don't go there list... charged me $14 for a gallon of > antifreeze, sent my benz out with a leaking upper rad > # > hose and bad clamp.. another shop looked at the antifreeze and said it > was really some nasty old crap... but that's another gripe... > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > anyway... the "techs" at aamco believe the problem is my Diesel TDI, > that it's "torque" is causing the transmission to > # > shift badly, or in their terms, "it's not the transmission, but the > engine that stumbles". This is the same guy standing > # > there telling me that my EGR valve was a throttle body... and that my > vaccuum lines (cloth covered stock lines) were "cracked". > # > > # > > # > Is there anything on a TDI that would cause the engine to stumble on > shifting ONLY between first and second? > # > (I think I already know the answer, but have to provide overwhelming > proof of their incompetence, and ask also with the slight possibility that > # > there may actually be something external to the transmission and on > the TDI that could cause it to fall on its face in a shift... > # > Throttle Position? - but wouldn't it affect EVERY shift?) > # > > # > Is there anything in the vaccum connections that control shifting? - > I have seen this to be an issue in Mercedes... and I know if > # > the vacuum lines aren't right on a TDI that the turbo wont' work > correctly as well... > # > > # > > # > > # > I know that the TDI will spit up codes if anything isn't right on the > engine... any sensor or indicator unplugged spits up codes pronto. > # > > # > I can't think of a thing that could cause this condition... but I want > to ask the collective before proceeding. I am not (yet) a TDI > # > expert, but quickly heading that way... :) > # > > # > > # > thanx all for your wisdom and advice.... > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM > http://fotomeister.us > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics wife claims it happens between 3-4 sometimes... it's not consistent... no problem starting, engine runs well.. but all this about the CPU seems to point to what aamco is saying... would be nice if the dealer plugs in and says, oh yeah, there's this little hotfix and zap it's all good again... then all I will have to do is take the car to a body shop to have the front valence reinstalled properly... why the chose to install a tranny cooler is beyond me, but I'm not complaining... even though the reputable shop said there wasn't a heat issue... aamco charges 600 bucks to install an oil cooler... of course this is warranty work so I'm sure it's slightly inflated... but they charged the PO two grand... talking to the tech all he did was put an additive in and added a shift kit!!!! what a bunch of incompetent crooks... but at least they're being nice... so far... thanx for looking at that info Michel. I haven't had time to research this... been busy dealing with body panels, hardwood floors, computers, and catching up on stuff... :) did find out that my "wobble" is likely broken seats in my '87 300D... but the shop did say my shocks were completely shot... with 238,000 miles on the originals I guess they probably were... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Michel Balea wrote: # did a quick search on french speaking sites, after all they all drive # thinking they are in a racing track.... # # recheck or replace the fuse of the injector pump. # # the MAP, and in some older modeles the issues during gear shifting was # solved by reprogramming the CPU # # may not the same years or trany or engine.... # # http://www.golfiv.fr/problemes-diesel-mecaniques-f81/fiabilte-defauts-vices-caches-t1034.html # # http://imageshack.us/f/143/couleur00023yndl8.jpg/ # # http://imageshack.us/f/143/couleur00011dpym6.jpg/ # # The EGR is mentioned as well, especially if you have problem with cold or # hot start. # # # How many speeds.... does it appear between 3rd and 4th. # # Best, # # Michel # On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:55 AM, john wrote: # # > the egr is controlled by vacuum, as is the turbo... if you disconnect # > the vacuum lines on the firewall it's like driving a garden tractor... # > every turbo Diesel I've owned has been like this... not sure why... # > # > well... I know the turbo quits working on VW and Renault... not sure # > about my benz... :) # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # # > # Possibly 1-2 solenoid OR the speed sensor has a flat spot. Does it have # > vacuum boosted brakes? If so, then it'll have a vacuum pump. If not, then # > with the possible exception of the heater controls, there is nothing vacuum # > controlled on the car. # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > # > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:53:22 -0700 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > To: # > # > Subject: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics # > # > # > # > since there isn't a specific list for TDIs, have a question that other # > listers might be able to answer. # > # > # > # > On our 2002 Jetta TDI sedan with the 01N automatic and ALH engine, the # > transmission has issues shifiting from 1-2 under # > # > heavy acceleration, not always, but some of the time. it's like it # > falls on its face when shifting... it lurches, and # > # > just drops... picks back up and goes on... hard to describe but it's # > quite unnerving when you plant your foot and head out # > # > into traffic... # > # > # > # > The transmission is under warranty by aamco and they're working with # > us, but their level of incompetence has wasted weeks # > # > of time and I'm ready to take it to Dave's Transmission in Lynnwood # > and have them fix it and pursue reimbursement from aamco, # > # > in the court system if necessary. Getting tired of incompetence... # > you pay a bloody fortune for labor and you get # > # > mediocrity at best... why is it that a shop will replace a radiator # > and ignore soft hoses??? Jim Startup's in Everett, WA # > # > is now on my don't go there list... charged me $14 for a gallon of # > antifreeze, sent my benz out with a leaking upper rad # > # > hose and bad clamp.. another shop looked at the antifreeze and said it # > was really some nasty old crap... but that's another gripe... # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > anyway... the "techs" at aamco believe the problem is my Diesel TDI, # > that it's "torque" is causing the transmission to # > # > shift badly, or in their terms, "it's not the transmission, but the # > engine that stumbles". This is the same guy standing # > # > there telling me that my EGR valve was a throttle body... and that my # > vaccuum lines (cloth covered stock lines) were "cracked". # > # > # > # > # > # > Is there anything on a TDI that would cause the engine to stumble on # > shifting ONLY between first and second? # > # > (I think I already know the answer, but have to provide overwhelming # > proof of their incompetence, and ask also with the slight possibility that # > # > there may actually be something external to the transmission and on # > the TDI that could cause it to fall on its face in a shift... # > # > Throttle Position? - but wouldn't it affect EVERY shift?) # > # > # > # > Is there anything in the vaccum connections that control shifting? - # > I have seen this to be an issue in Mercedes... and I know if # > # > the vacuum lines aren't right on a TDI that the turbo wont' work # > correctly as well... # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > I know that the TDI will spit up codes if anything isn't right on the # > engine... any sensor or indicator unplugged spits up codes pronto. # > # > # > # > I can't think of a thing that could cause this condition... but I want # > to ask the collective before proceeding. I am not (yet) a TDI # > # > expert, but quickly heading that way... :) # > # > # > # > # > # > thanx all for your wisdom and advice.... # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all # > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM # > http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:35:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics there is no fuse that I know of on the injection pump... it's a mechanical vane pump with an electronic fuel metering valve on top... if that fails it still pumps, but in a "limp mode". john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Michel Balea wrote: # did a quick search on french speaking sites, after all they all drive # thinking they are in a racing track.... # # recheck or replace the fuse of the injector pump. # # the MAP, and in some older modeles the issues during gear shifting was # solved by reprogramming the CPU # # may not the same years or trany or engine.... # # http://www.golfiv.fr/problemes-diesel-mecaniques-f81/fiabilte-defauts-vices-caches-t1034.html # # http://imageshack.us/f/143/couleur00023yndl8.jpg/ # # http://imageshack.us/f/143/couleur00011dpym6.jpg/ # # The EGR is mentioned as well, especially if you have problem with cold or # hot start. # # # How many speeds.... does it appear between 3rd and 4th. # # Best, # # Michel # On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:55 AM, john wrote: # # > the egr is controlled by vacuum, as is the turbo... if you disconnect # > the vacuum lines on the firewall it's like driving a garden tractor... # > every turbo Diesel I've owned has been like this... not sure why... # > # > well... I know the turbo quits working on VW and Renault... not sure # > about my benz... :) # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # # > # Possibly 1-2 solenoid OR the speed sensor has a flat spot. Does it have # > vacuum boosted brakes? If so, then it'll have a vacuum pump. If not, then # > with the possible exception of the heater controls, there is nothing vacuum # > controlled on the car. # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > # > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:53:22 -0700 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > To: # > # > Subject: fsj: OT: question on VW TDI automatics # > # > # > # > since there isn't a specific list for TDIs, have a question that other # > listers might be able to answer. # > # > # > # > On our 2002 Jetta TDI sedan with the 01N automatic and ALH engine, the # > transmission has issues shifiting from 1-2 under # > # > heavy acceleration, not always, but some of the time. it's like it # > falls on its face when shifting... it lurches, and # > # > just drops... picks back up and goes on... hard to describe but it's # > quite unnerving when you plant your foot and head out # > # > into traffic... # > # > # > # > The transmission is under warranty by aamco and they're working with # > us, but their level of incompetence has wasted weeks # > # > of time and I'm ready to take it to Dave's Transmission in Lynnwood # > and have them fix it and pursue reimbursement from aamco, # > # > in the court system if necessary. Getting tired of incompetence... # > you pay a bloody fortune for labor and you get # > # > mediocrity at best... why is it that a shop will replace a radiator # > and ignore soft hoses??? Jim Startup's in Everett, WA # > # > is now on my don't go there list... charged me $14 for a gallon of # > antifreeze, sent my benz out with a leaking upper rad # > # > hose and bad clamp.. another shop looked at the antifreeze and said it # > was really some nasty old crap... but that's another gripe... # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > anyway... the "techs" at aamco believe the problem is my Diesel TDI, # > that it's "torque" is causing the transmission to # > # > shift badly, or in their terms, "it's not the transmission, but the # > engine that stumbles". This is the same guy standing # > # > there telling me that my EGR valve was a throttle body... and that my # > vaccuum lines (cloth covered stock lines) were "cracked". # > # > # > # > # > # > Is there anything on a TDI that would cause the engine to stumble on # > shifting ONLY between first and second? # > # > (I think I already know the answer, but have to provide overwhelming # > proof of their incompetence, and ask also with the slight possibility that # > # > there may actually be something external to the transmission and on # > the TDI that could cause it to fall on its face in a shift... # > # > Throttle Position? - but wouldn't it affect EVERY shift?) # > # > # > # > Is there anything in the vaccum connections that control shifting? - # > I have seen this to be an issue in Mercedes... and I know if # > # > the vacuum lines aren't right on a TDI that the turbo wont' work # > correctly as well... # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > I know that the TDI will spit up codes if anything isn't right on the # > engine... any sensor or indicator unplugged spits up codes pronto. # > # > # > # > I can't think of a thing that could cause this condition... but I want # > to ask the collective before proceeding. I am not (yet) a TDI # > # > expert, but quickly heading that way... :) # > # > # > # > # > # > thanx all for your wisdom and advice.... # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all # > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM # > http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3808 **************************