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Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3821
fsj-digest Friday, November 18 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3821
Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Contents:
RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
fsj: not how you want to see your transmission...
fsj: Colorado / WY craigslist ad 1989 GR. Wagoneer
fsj: Super Wagoneer armrest console wanted (not me!)
Re: fsj: Colorado / WY craigslist ad 1989 GR. Wagoneer
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:05:13 -0600
From: "Potter, Tom E" <Tom.E.Potter-at-Williams.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
Yes
Thomas E. Potter
Technical Specialist II
Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company, LLC
Office: (713) 215-2877
Cell: (832) 794-0536
Fax: (713) 215-2551
E-mail: tom.e.potter-at-williams.com<mailto:tom.e.potter-at-williams.com>
From: Jim Blair [mailto:carnuck-at-hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:04 AM
To: Potter, Tom E; arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; local Jeep list
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
Did you switch the new assembly to the other side?
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
> From: Tom.E.Potter-at-Williams.com
> To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:24:06 -0600
> Subject: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
>
> I spent some time (and quite a few bucks) solving a similar problem on My
> granddaughter's 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The right brake light would not
> function properly. When she turned on the parking lights or headlights and
> pressed the brake, the tail light would go out (no tail light or brake
> light).
>
>
>
> Step 1, I changed the bulb. No change. I checked the bulb holder contacts,
and
> they looked good but the plastic was dark from heat.
>
> Step 2, I swapped the tail light assembly to the driver's side. The problem
> followed the assembly. Conclusion: faulty assembly.
>
> Step 3, I got a used assembly off E-bay and installed it. Same problem. I
> repeat Step 2.
>
> Step 4, I purchased a NEW tail light assembly and installed it. Same
problem.
> I repeat Step 2. Now I am really confused. I am ready to give up and turn
it
> over to an auto electrician.
>
> Step 5, I am discussing the problem with a friend while we are examining
the
> tail light assembly. He mentions that the bulb holder looks burned. I had
> checked the bulb holder contacts previously and they looked good. At that
> point, I remembered from my distant past that some plastics become
conductive
> when subjected to heat.
>
> Step 6, I replaced the bulb holder with a good one from one of the other
> assemblies. Voila, it worked perfectly. The overheated bulb holder was the
> problem.
>
>
>
> I hope this info helps someone in the future.
>
> Thomas E. Potter
> Technical Specialist II
> Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company, LLC
> Office: (713) 215-2877
> Cell: (832) 794-0536
> Fax: (713) 215-2551
> E-mail: tom.e.potter-at-williams.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Ken
> Gaines
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:17 PM
> To: fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: fsj: Lights doing really weird stuff
>
> Okay...
> So about a month ago I had an alternator belt slip and the electrical
> system burped for a split second. Now my interior dash lights stay on as
> long as the ignition is on. Also my tail lights stay on unless I turn on
> the turn signals. Only the left turn signal works. The right signal will
> turn on but won't flash. I just changed all the bulbs and the turn flasher
> too. No joy. Did something under the dash get fused together when the
> alternator burped?
> HELP
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:04:02 -0800
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
Did you switch the new assembly to the other side?
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
> From: Tom.E.Potter-at-Williams.com
> To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:24:06 -0600
> Subject: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
>
> I spent some time (and quite a few bucks) solving a similar problem on My
> granddaughter's 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The right brake light would not
> function properly. When she turned on the parking lights or headlights and
> pressed the brake, the tail light would go out (no tail light or brake
> light).
>
>
>
> Step 1, I changed the bulb. No change. I checked the bulb holder contacts,
and
> they looked good but the plastic was dark from heat.
>
> Step 2, I swapped the tail light assembly to the driver's side. The problem
> followed the assembly. Conclusion: faulty assembly.
>
> Step 3, I got a used assembly off E-bay and installed it. Same problem. I
> repeat Step 2.
>
> Step 4, I purchased a NEW tail light assembly and installed it. Same
problem.
> I repeat Step 2. Now I am really confused. I am ready to give up and turn
it
> over to an auto electrician.
>
> Step 5, I am discussing the problem with a friend while we are examining
the
> tail light assembly. He mentions that the bulb holder looks burned. I had
> checked the bulb holder contacts previously and they looked good. At that
> point, I remembered from my distant past that some plastics become
conductive
> when subjected to heat.
>
> Step 6, I replaced the bulb holder with a good one from one of the other
> assemblies. Voila, it worked perfectly. The overheated bulb holder was the
> problem.
>
>
>
> I hope this info helps someone in the future.
>
> Thomas E. Potter
> Technical Specialist II
> Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company, LLC
> Office: (713) 215-2877
> Cell: (832) 794-0536
> Fax: (713) 215-2551
> E-mail: tom.e.potter-at-williams.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Ken
> Gaines
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:17 PM
> To: fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: fsj: Lights doing really weird stuff
>
> Okay...
> So about a month ago I had an alternator belt slip and the electrical
> system burped for a split second. Now my interior dash lights stay on as
> long as the ignition is on. Also my tail lights stay on unless I turn on
> the turn signals. Only the left turn signal works. The right signal will
> turn on but won't flash. I just changed all the bulbs and the turn flasher
> too. No joy. Did something under the dash get fused together when the
> alternator burped?
> HELP
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:18:45 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
my neighbor was having trouble with her WJ, not sure if she
got it fixed or not... will let her know.
thanx,
john
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-o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all
Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold
http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS
http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Potter, Tom E wrote:
# Yes
#
# Thomas E. Potter
# Technical Specialist II
# Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company, LLC
# Office: (713) 215-2877
# Cell: (832) 794-0536
# Fax: (713) 215-2551
# E-mail: tom.e.potter-at-williams.com<mailto:tom.e.potter-at-williams.com>
# From: Jim Blair [mailto:carnuck-at-hotmail.com]
# Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:04 AM
# To: Potter, Tom E; arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; local Jeep list
# Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
#
# Did you switch the new assembly to the other side?
#
# Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
#
# > From: Tom.E.Potter-at-Williams.com
# > To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net
# > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:24:06 -0600
# > Subject: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff
# >
# > I spent some time (and quite a few bucks) solving a similar problem on My
# > granddaughter's 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The right brake light would not
# > function properly. When she turned on the parking lights or headlights and
# > pressed the brake, the tail light would go out (no tail light or brake
# > light).
# >
# >
# >
# > Step 1, I changed the bulb. No change. I checked the bulb holder contacts,
# and
# > they looked good but the plastic was dark from heat.
# >
# > Step 2, I swapped the tail light assembly to the driver's side. The problem
# > followed the assembly. Conclusion: faulty assembly.
# >
# > Step 3, I got a used assembly off E-bay and installed it. Same problem. I
# > repeat Step 2.
# >
# > Step 4, I purchased a NEW tail light assembly and installed it. Same
# problem.
# > I repeat Step 2. Now I am really confused. I am ready to give up and turn
# it
# > over to an auto electrician.
# >
# > Step 5, I am discussing the problem with a friend while we are examining
# the
# > tail light assembly. He mentions that the bulb holder looks burned. I had
# > checked the bulb holder contacts previously and they looked good. At that
# > point, I remembered from my distant past that some plastics become
# conductive
# > when subjected to heat.
# >
# > Step 6, I replaced the bulb holder with a good one from one of the other
# > assemblies. Voila, it worked perfectly. The overheated bulb holder was the
# > problem.
# >
# >
# >
# > I hope this info helps someone in the future.
# >
# > Thomas E. Potter
# > Technical Specialist II
# > Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company, LLC
# > Office: (713) 215-2877
# > Cell: (832) 794-0536
# > Fax: (713) 215-2551
# > E-mail: tom.e.potter-at-williams.com
# > -----Original Message-----
# > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Ken
# > Gaines
# > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:17 PM
# > To: fsj-at-digest.net
# > Subject: fsj: Lights doing really weird stuff
# >
# > Okay...
# > So about a month ago I had an alternator belt slip and the electrical
# > system burped for a split second. Now my interior dash lights stay on as
# > long as the ignition is on. Also my tail lights stay on unless I turn on
# > the turn signals. Only the left turn signal works. The right signal will
# > turn on but won't flash. I just changed all the bulbs and the turn flasher
# > too. No joy. Did something under the dash get fused together when the
# > alternator burped?
# > HELP
#
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:07:51 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: not how you want to see your transmission...
the pictures below are typically NOT how you want to see your automatic transmission... :)
but, in case you ever wondered what was in an automatic transmission,
well, at least as installed in a 2002 vw jetta TDI with the 01m transmission here you go:
http://fotomeister.us/2011/11-Nov-16-VW-JettaAutoTransmission/ALL.html
those flat (or supposed to be flat) pieces are clutches... they are supposed to
have material on them (some or all?)
you can see the tech pointing to the chips in the teeth in the ring gear and other issues... you
can also see temper colors in the metal... that means things got really hot in there...
one of those clutches was quite warped... all the material from the clutches ended up in the
cooler which caused a cascading failure...
in having the tech show me all the parts he noticed another part he had to order... my guess
is a lot of these parts were bad before things started failing... but at least they're fixing them.
the internals of those gears kind of broke and then engaged full on... if I hadn't put
the car in neutral when I slowed down it would have killed the engine...
so now we're just waiting on parts... maybe next week...
the tech is interested in getting a TDI... with a manual transmission... ;) and
was talking to me about some of the performance mods, we both agreed this TDI with
an 01M is not a suitable platform for more power, but the manual trans version is... best bang
for the buck I can think of is dropping the 11mm pump into the manual trans version,
easy 20% power increase... recommended "myturbodiesel.com" as a good forum for info...
the last picture is the best way I can think of having mac on windows...
john
-----
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
-o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all
Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold
http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS
http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:37:18 -0700
From: Troy Phagan <tsp-at-crptruck.com>
Subject: fsj: Colorado / WY craigslist ad 1989 GR. Wagoneer
I have no association with this seller or vehicle. I happened to see it
in my local craigslist.org
I thought it was a bit amusing, honestly.
1989 Grand Wagoneer, very clean. $5700
http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/2703456177.html
- --
- -Troy
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:23:48 -0800
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: fsj: Super Wagoneer armrest console wanted (not me!)
http://theamcforum.com/forum/super-wagoneer-center-armrest_topic34328.html
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:22:25 -0600
From: Kim Tesar <ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: fsj: Colorado / WY craigslist ad 1989 GR. Wagoneer
Very nice specimen !!
On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Troy Phagan wrote:
> I have no association with this seller or vehicle. I happened to
> see it in my local craigslist.org
> I thought it was a bit amusing, honestly.
>
> 1989 Grand Wagoneer, very clean. $5700
>
> http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/2703456177.html
>
> --
> -Troy
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