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fsj-digest Monday, February 27 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3869
Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Re: fsj: RE: murphy is helping again... wiring...
fsj: Jeep / Mercedes Diesel (fwd)
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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:32:00 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: RE: murphy is helping again... wiring...
so one of the tests I'll do is to disconnect the alternator
completely from the circuit... pull the two pin plug
and disconnect the cable to the starter relay (have it
connected via a 100A fuse now, no more fusible link)
then I'll test current draw...
realistically that's the only thing that makes any sense at all...
nothing else on the truck could trickle current like that ... wires
don't short partially... :)
john
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012, Ken Gaines wrote:
# If it has an internal ground or short, the hot wire going back to the
# battery would provide a current flow path.
# On Feb 25, 2012 2:11 PM, "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com> wrote:
#
# > it's doing fine now... but there is still arcing when I connect
# > the battery, measured 47 mA.... weird no radio or other electronics,
# > wiring harness in the engine compartment is, or should be good...
# >
# > it could be the alternator is bad...
# >
# > I tried it with the plug disconnected, still arc'd.
# >
# > It'll be easy to troubleshoot later... son is using it
# > to move big stuff into his apartment right now...
# >
# > heading out to work on the Jetta, panzer plate install...
# >
# > john
# >
# >
# >
# > -----
# > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
# > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com
# > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold
# > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS
# > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us
# > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
# >
# >
# > On Sat, 25 Feb 2012, dave wrote:
# >
# > # On my '79 or '82 the two little wires were crossed over and I always
# > # experienced a drain until I found that problem. After a rebuilt
# > alternator
# > # and switching the wires back, the charging was stronger according to the
# > # ammeter.
# > #
# > # Did you unplug both little wires to the alternator to see if the drain
# > went
# > # away?
# > #
# > # Ign module is one problem that can cause the engine to die randomly.
# > #
# > # Good luck with it!
# > # later,
# > # dave
# > #
# > #
# > # -----Original Message-----
# > # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com]
# > # Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:08 AM
# > # To: dave
# > # Cc: full size jeep list
# > # Subject: RE: murphy is helping again... wiring...
# > #
# > # believe it or not I have the factory manual... and I've mirrored Tom's
# > site
# > # on mine... he's a friend of mine. We had dinner in Orlando when I was
# > # down there in '99. :)
# > #
# > # yeah, it's pin 1 of the alternator that went to a fusible link
# > # or resistor wire that's causing me grief... pin 76 or 78 or whatever,
# > # isn't there in the harness...
# > #
# > # I had the wire connected to the coil before, and the truck wouldn't shut
# > # off... cut it and it ran fine...
# > #
# > # I guess that wire needs to be connected to a resistor, light or
# > something
# > # to make the alternator work... it's the circuit for an idiot light,
# > # goes to ground if something goes wrong...
# > #
# > # I think I'll insert a light bulb and connect it to the coil power so
# > it's
# > # off when the truck is off...
# > #
# > # one other thing I noticed is that there is something drawing current
# > when
# > # everything is off... I pulled the radio fuses, there's no clock,
# > NOTHING
# > # on this simple, bare bones truck should be pulling current...
# > #
# > # except the alternator... that's why I think the pin 1 or whatever it's
# > # called isn't right, or my alternator is bad... but that shouldn't cause
# > # the truck to die randomly... you can run without an alternator.
# > #
# > # heading back down to fix it... so my son can move...
# > #
# > # john
# > #
# > #
# > #
# > # -----
# > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------
# > # -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to:
# > john-at-wagoneers.com
# > # Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold
# > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS
# > # http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us
# > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------
# > #
# > #
# > # On Sat, 25 Feb 2012, dave wrote:
# > #
# > # # Did you go here for wiring diagrams?
# > # #
# > # # http://oljeep.com/gw/elec/GW_wiring.html
# > # #
# > # # Are you missing the Brown 24ga, Red 14ga or Red 10ga wire?
# > # #
# > # # If I read the wiring diagram correctly:
# > # # 76 Brown 24ga has a built-in 15.0 OHM resistor and gets power from
# > the
# > # ign
# > # # switch
# > # #
# > # # 95 Red 14ga splices into the Battery's Yellow 10ga after the 10ga
# > wire's
# > # # fusible link
# > # #
# > # # 12 Red 10ga goes to Ammeter
# > # #
# > # # Now do any of these wires look familiar?
# > # #
# > # # I remember the simple days when I could build a wiring harness from
# > # scratch
# > # # in my living room. <g>
# > # #
# > # #
# > # # -----Original Message-----
# > # # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com]
# > # # Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 1:40 AM
# > # # To: full size jeep list
# > # # Cc: David Ashby; doug_thorndike-at-comcast.net; dave boykin
# > # # Subject: murphy is helping again... wiring...
# > # #
# > # #
# > # # trying to fix the wiring on my '83 J10 so I can help mark move
# > # # into his apartment... the wiring was a victim of PO's and the
# > # # big snow...
# > # #
# > # # I got a new harness from Zach, but it won't work, so I've opened
# > # # my old harness up and found a LOT of issues... broken wires,
# > # # bare wires, melted wires, splices that weren't really spliced...
# > # # and the main harness I have doesn't match my shop manual, one pin
# > # # isn't there... the one with the fusible link from the alternator
# > # # that goes up to the fuse box via the firewall on pin '78' that
# > # # isn't on my harness...
# > # #
# > # # So, I'm trying to figure out where to run that wire, it's a sense
# > # # wire for the alternator... I think... why do they make wiring
# > diagrams
# > # # so tiny in these manuals... :) they weren't always that tiny...
# > <grin>
# > # #
# > # # anyway, on the alternator there's a connection that goes to the
# > battery,
# > # # and there is that two wire plug, one is non-fused that goes up to the
# > # # starter relay,
# > # # the other side is fusible link and goes up into the firewall...
# > # # or should... I think...
# > # #
# > # # I had it connected to the coil wire and it was working... before...
# > # # but I also had it connected before in such a way that the truck
# > # # didn't shut off... so I'm thinking that coil wire and the alternator
# > wire
# > #
# > # # shouldn't be close friends...
# > # #
# > # # #27 was just quitting... of course with all the loose and
# > # # bare wires it's not a big mystery. mark thought it was the fuel
# > # # filter or carb, but I'm convinced it's wiring... carbs don't fail
# > # # like that... :) it only fails when going up the hill forward, if
# > # # you go in reverse it's ok... ;)
# > # #
# > # #
# > # # So, since it's nearly midnight in Seattle most of you are probably
# > # # deep in slumber... so I'll have to look for the wiring and figure it
# > # # out, wrap my harness and reassemble my J10... or try to find a
# > # # truck to move mark's bed, table and couch tomorrow...
# > # #
# > # # if someone wakes up for a midnight snack, could you invite murphy?
# > # #
# > # # thanx,
# > # # john
# > # #
# > # #
# > # #
# > # # -----
# > # #
# > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
# > # # -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to:
# > john-at-wagoneers.com
# > # # Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold
# > # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS
# > # # http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM
# > http://fotomeister.us
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:37:52 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Jeep / Mercedes Diesel (fwd)
http://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150578314402036
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-o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com
Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold
http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS
http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us
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- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dan Black <dan-at-black.org>
To: John Meister <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:13:59 -0600
Subject: Jeep / Mercedes Diesel
A friend shared this on facebook; thought you might like it.
http://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150578314402036
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