From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Apr 20 11:24:00 2012 From: fsj-digest To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:24:07 +0000 Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3895 fsj-digest Friday, April 20 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3895 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: OT - people carrier fsj: Re: j10 accessories fsj: Re: j10 accessories Re: fsj: OT - people carrier fsj: Re: Something like this? fsj: back up lights J10. FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:06:17 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: OT - people carrier I recall that when the speed sensor goes bad in those, chunks of the drive gear can get into the governor causing transmission problems too. Definitely avoid the minivans with a Pentastar. I sent you a link to a multipassenger E250 diesel van that would probably fit the bill and it's local too. Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:54:53 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: OT - people carrier > > OT: need some advice... > > PROBLEM: The last week of August we need to be able to transport 6 to 8 > people around Western Washington. > it will be three adult couples with luggage - average to large sized... and > the possibility > of another adult couple coming along... and another adult... max full load 9 > people... typical 6. > > > BIGGER PROBLEM: a couple quick checks show a rental > minivan/suburban/expedition costing $700-$900 or more for the week. > > > SOLUTION (in my Diesel soaked mind): buy 3 seat Diesel Suburban - drive for > week - sell for same price or more , > found one: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/Suburban/ALL.html $4k - needs a speed > sensor > so the speedo/odo works, about $50. Stereo is wired wrong - tires about 50% > - comes with extra rims, > have time to find good deal on correct tires on CL or live with "ok" tread - - > ONE week of use expected. > > > OTHER SOLUTIONS: any vehicle capable of carrying 6 to 8 people with working > AC and automatic > that is a non-smoker - doesn't need any repairs, or if it does, is very > inexpensive and something I > can fix and make money on... ok with tranny swaps, etc... provided it all > pencils out... > Widened my search on Suburbans to include stinky, inefficient gas engines of > which I know little and > found several pages... hmmm.... and for less money... more hmmmm... > > > BUDGET RANGE: less than 4k - but must sell for same or more when done... > > > So, that's where y'all come in... > > > I'm well versed and knowledgeable in Mercedes Diesel, VW Diesel, > GM Diesel and Jeep vehicles... if I venture outside of that realm I'm likely > to end up with a white elephant, > a project vehicle or a Mr. Murphy special. > > While I'd prefer Diesel it's not necessary... it is highly unlikely that this > vehicle will > displace any vehicles in my current fleet. Have thought about a 300TD - but > that back seat > might be a bit claustraphobic... of course these are in-laws... ;) > > > Any chance of finding an ALL WHEEL DRIVE minivan that gets 20mpg that could be > had for around 4k??? > > > I briefly borrowed a friend's minivan for my Daughter's wedding, it was a nice > vehicle... what should I look for > in a minivan that I can sell when done? > > This is a brave new world for me... might be fun... an all wheel drive > mini-van that gets in the 20's might be a keeper... > > > oh yeah, need an answer by this evening... ;) (just kidding... was talking > about going to look at the suburban > this weekend, it's about 6 hrs away... which means I should probably pass on > it... even though it's nice looking... ???) > > > john > > ----- > current fleet includes J10 - 2 people, 3 max, unless we do the migrant farm > worker mode... > Jetta Wagon TDI - 4 people, maybe, 300D - 4, maybe 5... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college > educationb^] > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:43:28 -0500 From: Landon Tesar Subject: fsj: Re: j10 accessories Thanks, Troy. The bed seems to measure 7'1" by 5'8" Overall interior - - Landon /////////// On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Troy Phagan wrote: > re: J10 accessories: > > FYI: Dig into the DeeZee webpage, and you can find the part numbers > and dimensions of the universal style mats: > > http://www.deezee.com/products/446/Truck_Bed_Accessories/Bed_Mats/ > Utility_Mats.html > > They are not to bad to cut to length, if you must do so. > > > Also, This modular style hitch has potential for modification to > make it work, vs. pre-welded, one piece designs. > http://www.turnoverball.com/products/receiver-hitch/16k-heavy-duty- > receiver-hitch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:43:28 -0500 From: Landon Tesar Subject: fsj: Re: j10 accessories Thanks, Troy. The bed seems to measure 7'1" by 5'8" Overall interior - - Landon /////////// On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Troy Phagan wrote: > re: J10 accessories: > > FYI: Dig into the DeeZee webpage, and you can find the part numbers > and dimensions of the universal style mats: > > http://www.deezee.com/products/446/Truck_Bed_Accessories/Bed_Mats/ > Utility_Mats.html > > They are not to bad to cut to length, if you must do so. > > > Also, This modular style hitch has potential for modification to > make it work, vs. pre-welded, one piece designs. > http://www.turnoverball.com/products/receiver-hitch/16k-heavy-duty- > receiver-hitch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:09:39 -0700 From: Michel Balea Subject: Re: fsj: OT - people carrier the fast answer is a wagoneer with an extra bench facing backward.... Michel On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Jim Blair wrote: > I recall that when the speed sensor goes bad in those, chunks of the drive > gear can get into the governor causing transmission problems too. > Definitely > avoid the minivans with a Pentastar. I sent you a link to a multipassenger > E250 diesel van that would probably fit the bill and it's local too. > > Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will > like them only Entangle and hold the poor and > weak, while the rich and powerful will easily > break through them > > ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:54:53 -0700 > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > > To: > > Subject: fsj: OT - people carrier > > > > OT: need some advice... > > > > PROBLEM: The last week of August we need to be able to transport 6 to 8 > > people around Western Washington. > > it will be three adult couples with luggage - average to large > sized... > and > > the possibility > > of another adult couple coming along... and another adult... max > full load > 9 > > people... typical 6. > > > > > > BIGGER PROBLEM: a couple quick checks show a rental > > minivan/suburban/expedition costing $700-$900 or more for the week. > > > > > > SOLUTION (in my Diesel soaked mind): buy 3 seat Diesel Suburban - drive > for > > week - sell for same price or more , > > found one: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/Suburban/ALL.html $4k - > needs a > speed > > sensor > > so the speedo/odo works, about $50. Stereo is wired wrong - tires > about > 50% > > - comes with extra rims, > > have time to find good deal on correct tires on CL or live with > "ok" tread > - > > ONE week of use expected. > > > > > > OTHER SOLUTIONS: any vehicle capable of carrying 6 to 8 people with > working > > AC and automatic > > that is a non-smoker - doesn't need any repairs, or if it does, is > very > > inexpensive and something I > > can fix and make money on... ok with tranny swaps, etc... provided > it all > > pencils out... > > Widened my search on Suburbans to include stinky, inefficient gas > engines > of > > which I know little and > > found several pages... hmmm.... and for less money... more > hmmmm... > > > > > > BUDGET RANGE: less than 4k - but must sell for same or more when done... > > > > > > So, that's where y'all come in... > > > > > > I'm well versed and knowledgeable in Mercedes Diesel, VW Diesel, > > GM Diesel and Jeep vehicles... if I venture outside of that realm I'm > likely > > to end up with a white elephant, > > a project vehicle or a Mr. Murphy special. > > > > While I'd prefer Diesel it's not necessary... it is highly unlikely that > this > > vehicle will > > displace any vehicles in my current fleet. Have thought about a 300TD - > but > > that back seat > > might be a bit claustraphobic... of course these are in-laws... ;) > > > > > > Any chance of finding an ALL WHEEL DRIVE minivan that gets 20mpg that > could > be > > had for around 4k??? > > > > > > I briefly borrowed a friend's minivan for my Daughter's wedding, it was a > nice > > vehicle... what should I look for > > in a minivan that I can sell when done? > > > > This is a brave new world for me... might be fun... an all wheel drive > > mini-van that gets in the 20's might be a keeper... > > > > > > oh yeah, need an answer by this evening... ;) (just kidding... was > talking > > about going to look at the suburban > > this weekend, it's about 6 hrs away... which means I should probably pass > on > > it... even though it's nice looking... ???) > > > > > > john > > > > ----- > > current fleet includes J10 - 2 people, 3 max, unless we do the migrant > farm > > worker mode... > > Jetta Wagon TDI - 4 people, maybe, 300D - 4, maybe 5... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS > > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold > > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > b A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college > > educationb > > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Something like this? this is awesome... won't fit in my driveway, well it'd fit in the drive, but wouldn't be able to make any of the turns or go up or down the hill... :) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1957-Chevy-Chevrolet-Suburban-Limo-Limousine-strech ed-from-new-classic-/251039149764?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a73196ec4 if it were a 1956, or a 1953 I'd be all over this one.. ;) actually found a nice 1947 Suburban... problem was it's 25k. it's beautiful too. btw, the main requirements are to move 6 adults around for sight seeing... with the possibility of 3 more adults joining us (my kids)... luggage isn't likely to join us except to and from transportation out of the area for the 4 adults... :) So, I'm looking at gas powered Suburbans, found several decent ones for around 2k, also looking at minivans... the Diesel Suburban for 4k looks the best, but this isn't a keeper... can't haul compost in it... ;) anyone know anything about a Mazda MPV 4wd? v6, it has about 150k on it, looks like it's in excellent condition... nice and clean, the guy wants $2800 for it... looking at it today... seems to have good reviews... will it sell when I'm done? any issues? Mazda seems to me to have good quality and reputations, a couple have come through this shop/driveway... studying quality issues in manufacturing they seemed to do better than ford.... I don't think LPG is the same kind of option/benefit here in the states as it is overseas. People here don't understand the benefits of Diesel, let alone LPG. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college educationb^] Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 19 Apr 2012, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Run it on LPG ;-) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1957-Chevy-Chevrolet-Suburban-Limo-Limousine-strech ed-from-new-classic-/251039149764?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a73196ec4 # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:23:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: back up lights J10. I noticed that my backup lights were working last night... they did get brighter with more rpm... interesting... guess when I fixed the wiring harness I fixed the lights... cool... still draining the battery if connected... not sure if it's the wiring, my external resistor or the alternator... thinking of using zm jeeps new harness after all... need to relocate some pins... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college educationb^] Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3895 **************************