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fsj-digest Thursday, May 24 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3921
Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Re: fsj: My '63 Wag WAS back on track...
Re: fsj: My '63 Wag WAS back on track...
fsj: Man gets stuck in desert... (fwd)
RE: fsj: Man gets stuck in desert... (fwd)
fsj: a good question... what's a good, economical vehicle?
RE: fsj: a good question... what's a good, economical vehicle?
RE: fsj: Man gets stuck in desert... (fwd)
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Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:34:56 -0300
From: Ernesto Silva <erniesilva-at-gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: My '63 Wag WAS back on track...
Thomas, I'm at work right now but I'll try it tomorrow morning.
When I parked the wag my head was steaming and I believe my blood pressure
was higher than my brakes on hurry, so I didn't do any tests yet.
I'm 99.999% sure the internal switch got stuck, bad quality Chinese
contacts. Just connecting the battery starts the motor at high speed, that
is because is not engaged with the engine.
My first try will be to "knock" on the solenoid to see if I can free the
internal switch.
I'll comment on my findings tomorrow.
Anyway, GREAT LIST, thanks everyone for your comments.
Regards,
Ernesto.
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Potter, Tom E <Tom.E.Potter-at-williams.com>wrote:
> I assume that you know the small connection on the solenoid provides power
> to pull the drive pinion into the ring gear? If you just jumper the two
> large terminals, the starter will only spin. Try jumpering the large hot
> wire and the small connection and see if the solenoid operates. If not, the
> solenoid is failing internally.
>
> Thomas E. Potter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of
> Ernesto Silva
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:13 PM
> To: Jim Blair
> Cc: michelbalea-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: Re: fsj: My '63 Wag WAS back on track...
>
> Jim, it is a starter mounted unit. The symptom is that when I connect the
> main switch (not a key turn) the motor starts but the front gear is not
> engaged into the big one on the back of the engine. The starter motor spins
> alone, I suspect that is because the internal contacts got stuck although
> the solenoid core is in "relaxed" position.
> I don't need to turn the key to spin the motor, just connect the many
> battery switch.
>
> Ernesto.
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like you need to look at tractor parts or possibly Ford diesel. I
> > was
> > looking at a Dodge 3 ton LCF (low cab forward) here with a Perkins in it
> > last
> > summer.
> > Is it a fender and not starter mounted unit? If it is on the starter,
> > that
> > is a classic symptom of badly worn nose bushing and/or low charged
> > battery. If
> > the voltage drops to low while cranking, the extra amps drawn can weld
> the
> > solenoid contacts together.
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:10:50 -0300
> > > Subject: Re: fsj: My '63 Wag WAS back on track...
> > > From: erniesilva-at-gmail.com
> > > To: michelbalea-at-gmail.com
> > > CC: fsj-at-digest.net
> > >
> > > Many thanks Michael, I'll try those links and see what I can get.
> > >
> > > Ernesto.
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Michel Balea
> > <michelbalea-at-gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > You're welcome, always trying to find a part that may fit. Sometimes
> we
> > go
> > > > to the extreme ... one of my bike has so many parts from other bikes,
> > that
> > > > I need to keep track of which year and model it is built from, at
> least
> > it
> > > > is from the same brand.
> > > >
> > > > Lucas electrical are known for their 3 position system, off, dim,
> > flicker.
> > > >
> > > > You might be able to find a solenoid, which is remote Heavy-Duty
> switch
> > at
> > > > at marine supply store.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=
> >
> >
> 10001&storeId=11151&partNumber=1654680&langId=-1&searchKeyword=solenoid+start<
> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=%0A10001&storeId=11151&partNumber=1654680&langId=-1&searchKeyword=solenoid+start
> >
> > er
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Michel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Ernesto Silva
> > <erniesilva-at-gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Thanks Michael, but in my country (Uruguay) there are only a handful
> > of
> > > >> Wags, and the engine is from England, a Perkins.
> > > >> There are also Perkins factories in Brazil and Argentine. In Brazil
> > the
> > > >> main products are engines for Massey Ferguson tractors. In Argentine
> > they
> > > >> build general engines, that's the reason why I expect to buy a
> > solenoid
> > > >> from that make.
> > > >> The original "Lucas" make from England is very rare on these days
> and
> > > >> these latitudes.
> > > >>
> > > >> Many thanks for your comments,
> > > >> Ernesto.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Michel Balea
> > <michelbalea-at-gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Depending on how many wires yu have on the solenoid, yu may be able
> > to
> > > >>> use the one for the fsj gas version....60s, 70's and 80's version
> > have
> > all
> > > >>> the possibilities, beside the 2 main wires, yu can have, 1, 2 or 3
> > > >>> auxiliary wires.
> > > >>> Someone will chime in...
> > > >>> Good job on the repairs.
> > > >>> Michel
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On May 23, 2012, at 7:20, Ernesto Silva <erniesilva-at-gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > .... but no more, I was able to use it for 2 days, grrrrr.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > After some work which started about 2 months ago I did the
> > following:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > 1 - changed the starter motor solenoid because it did not connect
> > the
> > > >>> motor.
> > > >>> > 2 - took out the engine because 2 of the starter motor bolts
> where
> > bad
> > > >>> and
> > > >>> > I had to enlarge the holes and make new threads (no nuts, threads
> > in
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> > gears case).
> > > >>> > With the engine on a bench I:
> > > >>> > 3 - I rebuild the clutch and put a new bearing.
> > > >>> > 4 - I changed the first diesel pump gasket because of a leak.
> > > >>> > 5 - I changed the oil
> > > >>> > 6 - I changed the fan blades for a plastic ones, the old steel
> > blades
> > > >>> where
> > > >>> > seriously cracked
> > > >>> > 7 - I changed the oil meter, the iron tube to measure oil level
> got
> > > >>> broke
> > > >>> > when I took out the engine.
> > > >>> > 8 - I got the main clutch cylinder rebuild, the same with the one
> > on
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> > clutch.
> > > >>> > 9 - I changed the hole clutch hydraulic circuit
> > > >>> > 10 - I changed the temperature meter, the old one got broke with
> > the
> > > >>> engine
> > > >>> > movement.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > So a bad solenoid got me repairing many things, but finally the
> > truck
> > > >>> was
> > > >>> > back on track... for 2 days, or less.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > The solenoid got stuck and the starter motor is ON all the time,
> > > >>> luckily I
> > > >>> > installed a main battery switch 6 months ago so I can cut all
> > current
> > > >>> > supply, that stopped the motor.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Dammed Chinese manufacturers, the solenoid is from China, I
> didn't
> > > >>> used it
> > > >>> > for more than 20 times, I knew it was not of good quality, but
> this
> > is
> > > >>> > totally unacceptable. And of course, I can't get my money back
> > (approx
> > > >>> 50
> > > >>> > dollars) because electrical pieces has no guaranty, at least in
> the
> > > >>> shop
> > > >>> > where I bought it.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > So next step is to visit many shops till I find a new solenoid,
> NOT
> > > >>> from
> > > >>> > China, the best one should be a Lucas from UK, the second made in
> > > >>> > Argentina. Another option is to try to buy a used one, but I
> can't
> > > >>> know in
> > > >>> > which condition it will be.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > The engine is a 4.203 diesel Perkins from England, 1976. It
> starts
> > > >>> great
> > > >>> > with a small battery, consumes some oil because of some worn but
> it
> > > >>> really
> > > >>> > works fine.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Ernesto
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:59:21 -0300
From: Ernesto Silva <erniesilva-at-gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: My '63 Wag WAS back on track...
Jim, the gears where fine, healthy teeth. The other info is how I
discovered the problem, I started the engine and heard a low buzz, my
engine is very noisy so I could not determine the origin at first time.
When I powered off the engine hear the start motor at full speed and not
engaged, I stopped it disconnecting the battery main switch.
As far as I saw the teeth were fine so my suspects fall into the internal
switch contacts.
I'll try to take out the motor next saturday and confirm the teeth state.
Ernesto.
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
> The solenoid is not pulling the gear into the ring gear, OR possibly the
> teeth
> in the drive shattered and bound up the contacts??
>
> Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:03:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Man gets stuck in desert... (fwd)
stories like this are fascinating... how many of us have gotten our rigs home
with chewing gum, bailing wire and duct tape? I've got more than one story,
but
at least I never had to build another vehicle to make it home... :)
john
http://chameaudacier.free.fr/moto2.html
translation summary from a fellow Jeep friend who happens to be from France:
French engineering at his best. The 2CV was really made with tin can
material... cheap and light weight. The swing arm... or suspension arm is made
from stamped steel... 2 parts "welded together" not too sure how it was
welded....
The transmission et done by friction using the drum brake cover rubbing on the
tire, like the Solex moped, but due to the rotation it only worked on reverse,
so the max speed is 20km/h. The other side of the drum is locked to take
advantage of the differential. The drum brake are hugging the gear box.... We
had these incident when people asked you to remove the wheell to check the
brakes... no need the drum is by the gear box.
Totally unstable, the clutch has to be adjusted by rough techniques which
required dismantling...
This happened in 1996.... the guy had to leave the steel camel and pick it up
later.
I had one.... in fact we had one... our group needed an extra car for
vacation one year, ca. 76ish ... and we bought one for $100, with 10 shares of
$10 for the members of the club... 3 in the 2CV and the 7 others were stuffed
in the VW bus... We sold 6 or 8 month later for $200... but it did not last...
1 month.... the engine when kaput... probably lack of oil... there were a few
leaks due to over-zealous mechanic that overtightened everything that could be
reached with a wrench.
Michel
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:57 AM, john <john-at-wagoneers.com> wrote:
is there an english version of this?
pretty interesting... how hard would have been to fix the
swing arm?
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- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Stephen Rigley <srigley-at-gmail.com>
To: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:17:11 +0100
Subject: Man gets stuck in desert...
he broke a swing arm on his 2CV, then spent 12 days building a motorcycle
out of the parts :
http://chameaudacier.free.fr/moto2.html
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:40:56 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Man gets stuck in desert... (fwd)
I don't even want to go there! The number of times I patched stuff together,
welding with car batteries, broken axle bypassed with a log sled, 5 cyl
Rambler (rod out the side, hole glued up)
There is a reason my nickname was Junkyard Jim.
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:03:42 -0700
> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> To:
> Subject: fsj: Man gets stuck in desert... (fwd)
>
> stories like this are fascinating... how many of us have gotten our rigs
home
> with chewing gum, bailing wire and duct tape? I've got more than one
story,
> but
> at least I never had to build another vehicle to make it home... :)
>
> john
>
> http://chameaudacier.free.fr/moto2.html
>
>
> translation summary from a fellow Jeep friend who happens to be from
France:
>
> French engineering at his best. The 2CV was really made with tin can
> material... cheap and light weight. The swing arm... or suspension arm is
made
> from stamped steel... 2 parts "welded together" not too sure how it was
> welded....
>
> The transmission et done by friction using the drum brake cover rubbing on
the
> tire, like the Solex moped, but due to the rotation it only worked on
reverse,
> so the max speed is 20km/h. The other side of the drum is locked to take
> advantage of the differential. The drum brake are hugging the gear box....
We
> had these incident when people asked you to remove the wheell to check the
> brakes... no need the drum is by the gear box.
> Totally unstable, the clutch has to be adjusted by rough techniques which
> required dismantling...
>
> This happened in 1996.... the guy had to leave the steel camel and pick it
up
> later.
>
> I had one.... in fact we had one... our group needed an extra car for
> vacation one year, ca. 76ish ... and we bought one for $100, with 10 shares
of
> $10 for the members of the club... 3 in the 2CV and the 7 others were
stuffed
> in the VW bus... We sold 6 or 8 month later for $200... but it did not
last...
> 1 month.... the engine when kaput... probably lack of oil... there were a
few
> leaks due to over-zealous mechanic that overtightened everything that could
be
> reached with a wrench.
>
> Michel
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:57 AM, john <john-at-wagoneers.com> wrote:
>
> is there an english version of this?
>
> pretty interesting... how hard would have been to fix the
> swing arm?
>
>
> -----
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS
> Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold
> buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college
> educationb^]
> Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Stephen Rigley <srigley-at-gmail.com>
> To: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:17:11 +0100
> Subject: Man gets stuck in desert...
>
> he broke a swing arm on his 2CV, then spent 12 days building a motorcycle
> out of the parts :
> http://chameaudacier.free.fr/moto2.html
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: a good question... what's a good, economical vehicle?
one of my friends just had his car totalled...
and he's shopping for a replacement.
of course we both have had Jeeps and Diesels... with lots of miles and
issues...
His question is also my question...
WHAT IS A GOOD, SAFE, RELIABLE and ECONOMICAL VEHICLE?
4wd or all wheel drive
automatic transmissions are preferred in the country's 8th worst traffic
a/c
prefer 4 doors
in town economy (for me) must be at least in the 20's
for me I'd like to have a Diesel... but in talking with owners of various
makes I'm finding
there are some economical gasoline powered cars out there that are pretty nice
and all wheel drive...
Then he asked a question I couldn't answer...
what's more reliable a Jeep WJ or a Nissan Xterra?
I know pretty much nothing about Japanese vehicles...
so I thought I'd ask this question openly...
I fell back to what I know, and suggested a Jeep Cherokee XJ - the 4.0's and
AW4's are
generally bullet proof, you can see 16-17 mpg in town... they are a bit dated
and long
in the tooth... but... well, I don't know...
Watched a top gear episode last night where they said farewell to Saab... got
me thinking
about this...
thanx for your comments and suggestions, realizing of course that we'll hear a
multitude
of comments and subjective experiences, but what better way is there to learn
about what is
out there?
thanx all... looking at my "fleet".... I will be seriously considering what
is discussed...
also, would like to keep the vehicle in the 4-6k range if at all possible...
my friend will
also be looking in that range for a replacement... I'd consider up to 10k...
And no, I'm not planning on building my own, still working on trying to get
one of those finished. :)
john
2002 Jetta TDI Wagon - 220k - 30/40 mpg
1987 300D 3.0L Turbo Diesel - 240k - 25/35 mpg
1983 J10 stepside installing SD33T - 148k - est. 20/24 mpg
1983 J10 long bed 5.9L - 120k - 10/15 mpg
1997 Suburban 5.7L - 179k - 12/18??? mpg
-----
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-o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS
Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold
buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college
educationb^]
Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919)
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 09:48:18 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: a good question... what's a good, economical vehicle?
How about a diesel Toyota Landcruiser? The Nissan Xterra has a few wear and
tear issues. The Pathfinder tends to last longer, but both have 1 series of V6
that had issues. VG33 is the one IIRC.
I like the AMC Eagle wagon I assembled, but the 20 mpg won't happen until I
add efi and an O/D (AW4/242 in place of the 727/229 i just put in to make it
drivable) with the XJ 8.25 rear axle (3.08 ratio and one piece shafts to cure
the Model 15/Dana 35 weakness) and matching non-vacuum front axle.
My Comanche will be done soon but 17 mpg is all it got average. (I've been
working on getting my '03 E250 ready to sell, but letting go of the 20 mpg
will be tough)
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 08:21:38 -0700
> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> To: p.kershner-at-frontier.com; bkc-at-dreamfire.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net;
WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; xj-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net; adiandlidi-at-gmail.com;
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mk_camper-at-yahoo.com; mike-at-graydogdesign.com; lasikeyes-at-msn.com;
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> Subject: fsj: a good question... what's a good, economical vehicle?
>
> one of my friends just had his car totalled...
> and he's shopping for a replacement.
>
> of course we both have had Jeeps and Diesels... with lots of miles and
> issues...
>
> His question is also my question...
>
> WHAT IS A GOOD, SAFE, RELIABLE and ECONOMICAL VEHICLE?
> 4wd or all wheel drive
> automatic transmissions are preferred in the country's 8th worst traffic
> a/c
> prefer 4 doors
> in town economy (for me) must be at least in the 20's
>
>
> for me I'd like to have a Diesel... but in talking with owners of various
> makes I'm finding
> there are some economical gasoline powered cars out there that are pretty
nice
> and all wheel drive...
>
>
> Then he asked a question I couldn't answer...
> what's more reliable a Jeep WJ or a Nissan Xterra?
>
> I know pretty much nothing about Japanese vehicles...
> so I thought I'd ask this question openly...
>
> I fell back to what I know, and suggested a Jeep Cherokee XJ - the 4.0's
and
> AW4's are
> generally bullet proof, you can see 16-17 mpg in town... they are a bit
dated
> and long
> in the tooth... but... well, I don't know...
>
> Watched a top gear episode last night where they said farewell to Saab...
got
> me thinking
> about this...
>
> thanx for your comments and suggestions, realizing of course that we'll hear
a
> multitude
> of comments and subjective experiences, but what better way is there to
learn
> about what is
> out there?
>
> thanx all... looking at my "fleet".... I will be seriously considering
what
> is discussed...
> also, would like to keep the vehicle in the 4-6k range if at all
possible...
> my friend will
> also be looking in that range for a replacement... I'd consider up to
10k...
>
> And no, I'm not planning on building my own, still working on trying to get
> one of those finished. :)
>
> john
>
> 2002 Jetta TDI Wagon - 220k - 30/40 mpg
> 1987 300D 3.0L Turbo Diesel - 240k - 25/35 mpg
> 1983 J10 stepside installing SD33T - 148k - est. 20/24 mpg
> 1983 J10 long bed 5.9L - 120k - 10/15 mpg
> 1997 Suburban 5.7L - 179k - 12/18??? mpg
>
> -----
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS
> Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold
> buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college
> educationb^]
> Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 11:07:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Man gets stuck in desert... (fwd)
I've had the gear shifter on my '67 wagoneer fail both on the column and with
the after
market floor shifter... no fun either time... :)
john
-----
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-o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS
Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold
buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college
educationb^]
Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919)
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 24 May 2012, Tesar Landon-R16884 wrote:
# I had to tie the clutch rod onto the pivot arm with a tie down strap after
it fell off at the beach last weekend. Having the clutch go to the floor
after a big bump was not a confidence inspiring event.
#
# Pictures to follow.
#
# - Landon
#
# -----Original Message-----
# From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Blair
# Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:41 PM
# To: john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net
# Subject: RE: fsj: Man gets stuck in desert... (fwd)
#
# I don't even want to go there! The number of times I patched stuff
together, welding with car batteries, broken axle bypassed with a log sled, 5
cyl Rambler (rod out the side, hole glued up)
# There is a reason my nickname was Junkyard Jim.
#
# > Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:03:42 -0700
# > From: john-at-wagoneers.com
# > To:
# > Subject: fsj: Man gets stuck in desert... (fwd)
# >
# > stories like this are fascinating... how many of us have gotten our
# > rigs
# home
# > with chewing gum, bailing wire and duct tape? I've got more than one
# story,
# > but
# > at least I never had to build another vehicle to make it home... :)
# >
# > john
# >
# > http://chameaudacier.free.fr/moto2.html
# >
# >
# > translation summary from a fellow Jeep friend who happens to be from
# France:
# >
# > French engineering at his best. The 2CV was really made with tin can
# > material... cheap and light weight. The swing arm... or suspension arm
# > is
# made
# > from stamped steel... 2 parts "welded together" not too sure how it
# > was welded....
# >
# > The transmission et done by friction using the drum brake cover
# > rubbing on
# the
# > tire, like the Solex moped, but due to the rotation it only worked on
# reverse,
# > so the max speed is 20km/h. The other side of the drum is locked to
# > take advantage of the differential. The drum brake are hugging the gear
box....
# We
# > had these incident when people asked you to remove the wheell to check
# > the brakes... no need the drum is by the gear box.
# > Totally unstable, the clutch has to be adjusted by rough techniques
# > which required dismantling...
# >
# > This happened in 1996.... the guy had to leave the steel camel and
# > pick it
# up
# > later.
# >
# > I had one.... in fact we had one... our group needed an extra car
# > for vacation one year, ca. 76ish ... and we bought one for $100, with
# > 10 shares
# of
# > $10 for the members of the club... 3 in the 2CV and the 7 others were
# stuffed
# > in the VW bus... We sold 6 or 8 month later for $200... but it did not
# last...
# > 1 month.... the engine when kaput... probably lack of oil... there
# > were a
# few
# > leaks due to over-zealous mechanic that overtightened everything that
# > could
# be
# > reached with a wrench.
# >
# > Michel
# >
# > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:57 AM, john <john-at-wagoneers.com> wrote:
# >
# > is there an english version of this?
# >
# > pretty interesting... how hard would have been to fix the
# > swing arm?
# >
# >
# > -----
# > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
# > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS
# > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold
# > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461
# > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# > ---- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college
# > educationb^]
# > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09),
# > 1858-1919)
# > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# > ----
# >
# >
# > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
# > From: Stephen Rigley <srigley-at-gmail.com>
# > To: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
# > Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:17:11 +0100
# > Subject: Man gets stuck in desert...
# >
# > he broke a swing arm on his 2CV, then spent 12 days building a
# > motorcycle out of the parts :
# > http://chameaudacier.free.fr/moto2.html
#
#
#
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