From owner-fsj-digest@digest.net Mon Sep 17 08:39:00 2012 From: fsj-digest To: fsj-digest@digest.net Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:39:27 +0000 Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3971 fsj-digest Monday, September 17 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3971 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: thoughts on thermostat fsj: Re: xj: thoughts on thermostat Re: fsj: thoughts on thermostat RE: fsj: thoughts on thermostat RE: fsj: thoughts on thermostat fsj: OT: planning a road trip FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:16:33 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: thoughts on thermostat It's your wallet that will be affected by the lower temp choice. Lower fuel economy and failing emissions are common when you run a lower thermostat due to the extra raw fuel. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:45:06 -0700 > From: john@wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: thoughts on thermostat > > trying to decide what temperature thermostat to use > on an older american motors V8... 1983 Jeep J10 with the 360, > automatic... mostly used to haul stuff... will be used as an > escape vehicle for snow days... :) not driven much... > > options range from 160 through 195 degrees F. > > One of my biggest complaints about a 360 is they tend to run > warm... and will ping a bit when warm... with a 290cfm carb they tend > to run them lean... never heard of anyone melting a piston though... :) > > > reasonably certain that 195F is stock, but thinking I might go > with a 180F tstat... I'm thinking it could stand to run a little cooler, > no a/c, simple... does have electronic ignition... planning on running NGK > spark plugs unless someone has a better recommendation... > > with Diesels and computer controlled cars it's a no-brainer, you put what > it calls for... but in this case it'll take 160-195... and for some reason > 180F seems like a good idea... unless I'm convinced otherwise.... :) > > > thoughts, with explanations please. :) > > > thanx, > john > > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:23:01 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: Re: xj: thoughts on thermostat The NGKs work fairly well, but I've had the best luck with Autolites in my AMC V8s. NGK has more ranges to keep the ping monster away. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 From: john Subject: xj: thoughts on thermostat trying to decide what temperature thermostat to use on an older american motors V8... 1983 Jeep J10 with the 360, automatic... mostly used to haul stuff... will be used as an escape vehicle for snow days... :) not driven much... options range from 160 through 195 degrees F. One of my biggest complaints about a 360 is they tend to run warm... and will ping a bit when warm... with a 290cfm carb they tend to run them lean... never heard of anyone melting a piston though... :) reasonably certain that 195F is stock, but thinking I might go with a 180F tstat... I'm thinking it could stand to run a little cooler, no a/c, simple... does have electronic ignition... planning on running NGK spark plugs unless someone has a better recommendation... with Diesels and computer controlled cars it's a no-brainer, you put what it calls for... but in this case it'll take 160-195... and for some reason 180F seems like a good idea... unless I'm convinced otherwise.... :) thoughts, with explanations please. :) thanx, john ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 17:29:33 +0000 From: john@wagoneers.com Subject: Re: fsj: thoughts on thermostat It already gets horrible economy and it's emissions exempt. I don't want to deal with vapor lock or preignition on regular unleaded. 180 is a good compromise. __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Blair Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:16:33 To: john Meister; fsj-digest@digest.net Subject: RE: fsj: thoughts on thermostat It's your wallet that will be affected by the lower temp choice. Lower fuel economy and failing emissions are common when you run a lower thermostat due to the extra raw fuel. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:45:06 -0700 > From: john@wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: thoughts on thermostat > > trying to decide what temperature thermostat to use > on an older american motors V8... 1983 Jeep J10 with the 360, > automatic... mostly used to haul stuff... will be used as an > escape vehicle for snow days... :) not driven much... > > options range from 160 through 195 degrees F. > > One of my biggest complaints about a 360 is they tend to run > warm... and will ping a bit when warm... with a 290cfm carb they tend > to run them lean... never heard of anyone melting a piston though... :) > > > reasonably certain that 195F is stock, but thinking I might go > with a 180F tstat... I'm thinking it could stand to run a little cooler, > no a/c, simple... does have electronic ignition... planning on running NGK > spark plugs unless someone has a better recommendation... > > with Diesels and computer controlled cars it's a no-brainer, you put what > it calls for... but in this case it'll take 160-195... and for some reason > 180F seems like a good idea... unless I'm convinced otherwise.... :) > > > thoughts, with explanations please. :) > > > thanx, > john > > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: thoughts on thermostat actually... with a bit more info... the thermostat will primarily help engine warmup time.. it opens up to allow the engine to cool, and then closes when it drops below that temperature... so if I use a 180 degree tstat the engine will get to 180 and the tstat will open... not allowing it to get very warm fast... but 15 degrees isn't that much... still going to think about this some more. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 15 Sep 2012, Jim Blair wrote: # # It's your wallet that will be affected by the lower temp choice. Lower fuel economy and failing emissions are common when you run a lower thermostat due to the extra raw fuel. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:45:06 -0700 # > From: john@wagoneers.com # > To: # > Subject: fsj: thoughts on thermostat # > # > trying to decide what temperature thermostat to use # > on an older american motors V8... 1983 Jeep J10 with the 360, # > automatic... mostly used to haul stuff... will be used as an # > escape vehicle for snow days... :) not driven much... # > # > options range from 160 through 195 degrees F. # > # > One of my biggest complaints about a 360 is they tend to run # > warm... and will ping a bit when warm... with a 290cfm carb they tend # > to run them lean... never heard of anyone melting a piston though... :) # > # > # > reasonably certain that 195F is stock, but thinking I might go # > with a 180F tstat... I'm thinking it could stand to run a little cooler, # > no a/c, simple... does have electronic ignition... planning on running NGK # > spark plugs unless someone has a better recommendation... # > # > with Diesels and computer controlled cars it's a no-brainer, you put what # > it calls for... but in this case it'll take 160-195... and for some reason # > 180F seems like a good idea... unless I'm convinced otherwise.... :) # > # > # > thoughts, with explanations please. :) # > # > # > thanx, # > john # > # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" # > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:11:22 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: thoughts on thermostat Try to tell that to your wife when she's shivering on the highway! Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:58:04 -0700 > From: john@wagoneers.com > To: carnuck@hotmail.com > CC: fsj-digest@digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: thoughts on thermostat > > actually... with a bit more info... the thermostat will primarily > help engine warmup time.. it opens up to allow the engine to cool, > and then closes when it drops below that temperature... > > so if I use a 180 degree tstat the engine will get to 180 and the tstat > will open... not allowing it to get very warm fast... but 15 degrees > isn't that much... > > still going to think about this some more. > > > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2012, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # It's your wallet that will be affected by the lower temp choice. Lower fuel economy and failing emissions are common when you run a lower thermostat due to the extra raw fuel. > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:45:06 -0700 > # > From: john@wagoneers.com > # > To: > # > Subject: fsj: thoughts on thermostat > # > > # > trying to decide what temperature thermostat to use > # > on an older american motors V8... 1983 Jeep J10 with the 360, > # > automatic... mostly used to haul stuff... will be used as an > # > escape vehicle for snow days... :) not driven much... > # > > # > options range from 160 through 195 degrees F. > # > > # > One of my biggest complaints about a 360 is they tend to run > # > warm... and will ping a bit when warm... with a 290cfm carb they tend > # > to run them lean... never heard of anyone melting a piston though... :) > # > > # > > # > reasonably certain that 195F is stock, but thinking I might go > # > with a 180F tstat... I'm thinking it could stand to run a little cooler, > # > no a/c, simple... does have electronic ignition... planning on running NGK > # > spark plugs unless someone has a better recommendation... > # > > # > with Diesels and computer controlled cars it's a no-brainer, you put what > # > it calls for... but in this case it'll take 160-195... and for some reason > # > 180F seems like a good idea... unless I'm convinced otherwise.... :) > # > > # > > # > thoughts, with explanations please. :) > # > > # > > # > thanx, > # > john > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > # > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > # > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: OT: planning a road trip trying to come up with a reasonable plan for a road trip next summer... mainly the first part... getting from Seattle to Fargo, in 3 "comfortable" days... actually if I named the destination in northern eastern South Dakota you'd just say "huh?"... and there are no hotels where we're going... but we have that all sorted out, called in-laws... getting there is the planning problem.... the plan is to go from Seattle to somewhere between Fargo, ND and Sioux Falls, SD passing through Glacier National Park on the way, and breaking it up into 3 reasonable days... returning by way of the Black Hills and Yellowstone and Spokane, ez, no problem. The problem is this... places to stay are usually in built-up areas, and built-up areas are not generally at convenient stops in the flight plan. google maps shows round trip: 3,256 mi, 56 hours we've made this trip many times, and it always seems like one day is a short drive (generally because we're late starters) and one day is a driving marathon... so I need some ideas... generally we prefer to stay in Holiday Inn Expresses as they are relatively new and generally clean... some Best Westerns also work... we're not campers - did that in Europe, don't do it any more... RVing is out... We prefer to drive and dawdle... stopping when and where we feel like it... not herded through a bunch of security barriers and stuffed in a tube and hurtled through the air, or shuffled along some rails, or letting someone else do the driving... DRIVING IS WAY MORE FUN... but you already know that... Ok, my first thought is to break it up something like this: Seattle - Wallace, ID ?? - Glacier - Lewistown, MT ??? - NE SD no problem coming back: NE SD - Black Hills - Yellowstone - Spokane - Seattle GETTING THERE represents the challenge: Seattle - Wallace, ID (maybe... or maybe Libby, MT??) driving in the Rockies near dusk is dangerous - deer come out... Wallace, ID through Glacier to some point east of Great Falls, MT - allowing about 3 to 4 hours in Glacier... PROBLEMS: Kalispell is expensive and booked way out If we stay in great falls we end up with 14 hrs to our destination. Some point east of Great Falls to some obscure lake in NE SD. Nearest map point is Sisseton. - --------------- Getting back is a tried and proven route/schedule: NE SD to Black Hills is a no-brainer, about 7 hrs... lots of places there, >From the Hills to Yellowstone is about the same... can take US 16 or US 14 to get there... >From Yellowstone to Spokane is about right - and then about 5 hrs to home from Spokane. - ------------------- So, I need to find a place West of Glacier that we can stay at the first night out of Seattle - figuring no more than 7-8 hrs of driving... Kalispell would be ideal, might try that... but we always run late coming out of Seattle, stop in Thorp and Spokane to goof around... so Libby might work better... The real big problem is finding a place east of Glacier that puts us about 8 hrs from Fargo or thereabouts... Figuring on connecting back up with I-94 in eastern MT... we could also drop down through Miles into the SW corner of ND and cut across the top of SD... did that last time, not a bad run that way through Mobridge and such... open country 70mph speed limits on 2 lane roads, cheap Diesel... :) - ------------------ any suggestions on interesting sights along any of these routes? of course we always stop at Wall Drug for our free coffee and donuts (for veterans). and of course the Corn Palace in Mitchell, SD... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3971 **************************