From owner-fsj-digest@digest.net Thu Oct 25 23:53:00 2012 From: fsj-digest To: fsj-digest@digest.net Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:53:19 +0000 Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3983 fsj-digest Friday, October 26 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3983 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: wrench sizes to nuts/bolts fsj: th400 fsj: eco-tune / nozzles / torque settings fsj: Re: xj: wrench sizes to nuts/bolts fsj: Re: Wagoneers Club ...contact us. fsj: weekend of upgrades (benz,jeep,vw) FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:07:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: wrench sizes to nuts/bolts long story - will spare you, created this page: http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/Nuts-Bolts-Wrenches.html books/parts/etc selling to clean out shop, library, will be adding more parts this weekend... http://wagoneers.com/sell/ ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: th400 my son will be looking for a TH400... he's building a 4 bolt 350 Chevy engine for his '85 GW... he'll need to get a transfer case adapter... or he'll need to swap front axles and run a th400/dana 20 with a chevy case...?? he'll be selling his '85 amc 360 and likely the tf727... long, slow project, no rush... everett/seattle area... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 24 Oct 2012, FSJ-List@yahoogroups.com wrote: # Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:39 pm (PDT) . Posted by: # # "brothersinblue@att.net" brothersinblue@att.net # # looking for a bell housing for a 79 J-10 with 3 speed transmission (in the floor) and a 360 # AMC motor # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: eco-tune / nozzles / torque settings just ordered the Eco-Tune from Green Diesel Engineering for my '05 KJ CRD... https://www.greendieselengineering.com/goPage.do?method=perfComp https://www.greendieselengineering.com/store/SelectCat.do?catId=31&prodsFound=-1&category=Engine+Tune They have kits for VW, Benz and Jeep... claim 3-5 mpg improvement on the CRD... I rented the tool... only reason to keep it is if I had plans to go for the hot tune or use it as a diagnostic tool, and since I have both a generic OBDII reader and the Ross Tech VCDS for my TDI, no need... They have a kit for the GC CRD and the VW TDI... the TDI doesn't seem like it adds that much, anyone tried it or heard anything about it, especially for an ALH? I ordered some Bosio Nozzles for my '02 TDI from idparts, in the mail... my injectors were cleaned at about 210k miles by the PO... when cold there's a bit of smoke and roughness, at 225k I think this should perk it up a bit. I went with the 442/706 nozzles, which are the same as the manual injectors... should give a mild performance boost on my automatic... without risking the 01M trans... http://www.idparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=29_115&products_id=617 just noticed they have nozzles for merecedes as well... Still haven't ordered the timing belt parts for my Jetta... or the tools... going to attempt to set the timing when I replace the nozzles and see if I can spot the noise source... if it's something easily replaced I may do that and just plan on doing the timing belt before we head off to South Dakota next summer... also, someone shared some links to torque settings, will add the links to the wrench page: http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/Nuts-Bolts-Wrenches.html http://www.raskcycle.com/techtip/webdoc14.html http://www.machinetoolhelp.com/Repairing/bolt-torque-chart.html john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:09:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: wrench sizes to nuts/bolts the TJ's or equivalent are MUCH WORSE than the KJ's ride... we looked at a TJ... drove it... very clean, etc... it was horrible... it made my Jetta feel like a Mercedes S class... I'm wondering if a TJ with 33" tires deflated to about 15 pounds might have a nice ride... :) the KJ's aren't bad, the Jetta is still better, but what's unnerving about the Liberty KJ is the quick responsiveness of the steering... think they claim it's the first Jeep with rack and pinion steering.... it's also got the mercedes concept of window switches in the center console... but that quick steering in the wrong hands could make that thing go turtle... the seats in the KJ's are not all that great either, the leather are better... but I don't think we'd endure more than a few hours in that cab, plus if you're any where close to 6 foot tall and you hit a pebble in the road you'll likely sustain a concussion or a neck injury... we feel like we're sitting in a high chair. :) great visibility though... can see the ground 3 feet in front of the bumper, on a trail this thing will be great... and the view is good, perhaps better than an XJ and way better than a WJ... the ONLY reason I own one of this is because of the engine, transmission and xfr case... found one rolled and tempted to buy it to stuff the drivetrain in my J10... :) or maybe a nice clean late model XJ... would drop right in... but I don't need any more projects... I'm over 10 years overdue on the superdawg project, no calls, no emails... don't even know if curtis is still alive... I send a note or leave a message every now and then... no response... anyway, there are a few things that are nicer than an xj on the Kj... the tailgate setup for one... uh... thinking hard... having trouble coming up with item #2... :) ok... would be nice if they'd offered this CRD in the WJ stateside... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 24 Oct 2012, Ed Kummel wrote: # I agree with the ride issue. # I've had XJs for the last 15-20 years now and am # quite familiar with their ride. Last month, I rented a Wrangler on the Big # Island of Hawaii for a week and drove that thing everywhere, including # off-road! This thing was brand new...still had the "nubs" on the tires! I # don't think I could drive one of these things for more than I did though. # Stiff, bouncy and while it felt good on the road, it seemed to be wobbly # off-road. I can't explain it properly, but I felt as if the Jeep was too # squirrely in soft roads like gravel and sand. And on rocks, the suspension # tended to bounce too much. # Over all though, I had fun...even blew out a tire # on the sharp lava! (my credit card didn't like that one much) # And that engine # was quite torquey, but seemed to have trouble maintaining 45mph going up the # mountain roads without having to hunt for what gear to use. # If you ever have a # chance to visit the Big Island, get a Jeep and head down to South Point. Make # sure to get the insurance though.... # # Ed # web/gadget guru # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # "Don't you think that Secular Humanism is yummy?" # -Allison in Bedazzaled # the movie # # # # ________________________________ # From: john # # To: "xj@digest.net" # Sent: Wednesday, # October 24, 2012 5:45 PM # Subject: Re: xj: wrench sizes to nuts/bolts # # I # think I'll add links to that page... # # will keep it simple, clean and # current... # # http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/Nuts-Bolts-Wrenches.html # # # btw, # just ordered the eco-tune for my '05 KJ CRD... 3-5 mpg increase... # it's # "only" getting 22mpg in town now... crazy that they call these things # Cherokees in other countries... completely different feel than any XJ I've # ever owned... # it feels like these could be rolled pretty easily... not # planning on doing any aggressive # power sliding with this thing, not like I # used to with my XJs... # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # # http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" # # Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # On Wed, 24 Oct 2012, Ed Kummel wrote: # # # here is something I found that # explains what I remember...but it's SAE. # # # http://www.raskcycle.com/techtip/webdoc14.html # # # # Here is another page that # has # # metric but with no graphics # # # http://www.machinetoolhelp.com/Repairing/bolt-torque-chart.html # # # # And of # # # course, ARP bolts are very different. # # # # Ed # # web/gadget guru # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # "Don't you think that Secular Humanism is yummy?" # # -Allison in # Bedazzaled # # the movie # # # # # # # # ________________________________ # # From: # "john@wagoneers.com" # # # # To: xj # # Sent: # Wednesday, October 24, 2012 # # 5:28 PM # # Subject: Re: xj: wrench sizes to # nuts/bolts # # # # Got a link? # # __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__/ # # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: Ed Kummel # # # # Sender: # owner-xj@digest.net # # Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 # # 14:18:37 # # To: # xj@digest.net # # Reply-To: xj@digest.netSubject: Re: # # xj: # wrench sizes to nuts/bolts # # # # You should add a third part to this. Bolts # # # have markings on the head that # # indicates torque limits. # # I used to know # this # # but haven't rebuilt an engine in # # so long, I forgot it! # # Ed # # # Web/gadget guru # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # "Don't you think that Secular Humanism is yummy?" # # -Allison in # Bedazzaled # # the movie # # # # # # # # ________________________________ # # From: # john # # # # To: # # Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:07 AM # # Subject: # # xj: wrench sizes to # # nuts/bolts # # # # long story - will spare # you, created this # # page: # # # http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/Nuts-Bolts-Wrenches.html # # books/parts/etc # # # selling to clean out shop, library, # # will be adding more # # parts this # # # weekend... # # http://wagoneers.com/sell/ # # # # # # ----- # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # # # http://wagoneers.com/ Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # # ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" # # # Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Wagoneers Club ...contact us. feel free to pick a link... the link to the fsj stickers will work, posted it to FB, also posted your blog to fb... cc'ing the fsj list on digest.net info on sub'ing at: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-list.html there's always the info on how this madness started here: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-charter.html john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 24 Oct 2012, BarnYard Bonez wrote: # # # Hey John # we want to put your site on our club Face book page and google cloud. # Do you want to do it ? # can you send us you website link? # # Thanks,Leslie # # ##### # # Saving Jeep Grand Wagoneers # http://barnyardbonez.blogspot.com/ # *** # FACEBOOK # http://www.facebook.com/pages/Saving-Jeep-Grand-Wagoneers/145736898794372?v=w all # *** # Google Cloud # https://plus.google.com/s/saving%20jeep%20grand%20wagoneers#s/saving%20jeep%2 0grand%20wagoneers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: weekend of upgrades (benz,jeep,vw) re: my old '87 300D - called the guy that bought it after he emailed that it was totalled... turns out he rolled it coming off of I-405 to I-90 in that first rain we had after 90 days without rain... he had put some new tires on the back... as he went onto the ramp at only 40mph he said the back end came out... there was a cop walking on the side of the road and his car was parked there (guessing someone else had just crashed too) and he managed to keep from hitting cop or car but went off into the ditch and rolled it twice... didn't have full coverage. :( That car had the best paint job of any of the 128+ vehicles I've owned... anyway... even after being rolled twice he said the doors still open and close properly, but the roof is crushed down a bit on the driver's side... he'll send me a picture and I'll head over to the VoTech where's he's going to tear it down, or have the body work done (he's a Diesel instructor there). I will run down and take a look tomorrow to see if it can be put back together... Hey Bruce, you might be able to sell/trade some front end parts to help him out and recover something from your '93... Looking at the google map satellite of the area, looks like a lot of folks have ended up in that ditch... the weekend fun.... - --------------------- Noticed a coolant leak on my '83 J10... arghhh... that FLAPS water pump might be it, or the hose is not yet tight... we'll see... (FLAPS - friendly local auto parts store... ;) Needed this thing to be ok to tear into the other two rigs... Paul... when's your next trip past here? Can use those parts from your GW... :) - --------------------- My son's '85 GW likely has a bad rear u-joint... I've got a set of u-joints from my '88 XJ... I think they're the same... can anyone confirm that? - --------------------- ECO TUNE - KJ CRD: the Eco-Tune for the KJ CRD from Green Diesel Engineering will be in Saturday... I think I just plug in the tool and upload... they've got this tune for several Jeep, Mercedes and Dodge CRDs as well as VW's... not sure if the tune for the TDI is worth the money, they don't claim a lot of mileage. But with 3-5 mpg for the KJ 2.8L CRD it was pretty much a no-brainer... Diesel Power magazine did a review of it. It also eliminates the EGR issues... like we have with the TDIs. Just tanked up tonight... last 3 tank average has been 20 mpg. Computer on the KJ lies, claims 23 mpg average... my records show 20.15 overall. :) - --------------------- Then, the serious wrenching, more or less, will be installing the BOSIO SPRINT 442/706 NOZZLES in my TDI the Bosio Sprint 442/706 Injector Nozzles came in the mail today. Looking through the FAQ's and how to replace the nozzles... - making some notes and sharing... http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/multi/TDI-nozzle-FAQ.htm my 2002 Jetta 1.9L ALH / AT-01M trans uses the .158 injectors: DSLA 150P 672, OEM on the 90 hp auto transmission mk4 ALH 1998-2003 engine, actual measured size is .138mm. On my other 2002 ALH I had the 5speed manual... it came with these larger injectors, but had the 10mm pump... until I had the happy accident of replacing it with an 11mm pump... I lost a little bit of economy, but gained a calculated 20% in power, and a lot more fun. My current TDI with the AT isn't getting great mileage compared to a lower mileage AT TDI we had... about 4-5 mpg less... with 225,000 miles I'm figuring the nozzles could be worn... so I'll make this mild upgrade to gain some power and will still likely see mpg increase. So, I'm going with the ones used on the manual trans ALH... should give a little improvement in power, they are, the ".184 injectors: (Euro market: DSLA 150P 357)/ (US market: DSLA 150P 442) (sprint 357/442 or PP357), OEM on the 90 hp manual transmission mk3 AHU/1Z 1996-1999 engine, actual measured size is .185mm. Similar to the "smaller".184 injectors used in later cars except it has a larger opening and was used in injector bodies with lower opening pressure (190 bar)..." the FAQ goes on to say: "Automatic transmission mk4 ALH cars with and without a chip: There is no reason to replace these .158 size nozzles with identical nozzles. Sprint 357/442 and PP 357 all are .184mm nozzles and are recommended with a fueling adjustment since the higher pressure 11mm injection pump already supplies higher pressure fuel. Smoke is considered acceptable with the .184mm/auto transmission's higher pressure 11mm injection pump." "Larger nozzles can inject the requested amount of fuel in a shorter time and closer to TDC which can reduces smoke, effectively advances timing, and lowers EGTs. When you request more power, the injection pump can allow more fuel to be injected rather than just go back through the return lines. The disadvantage of larger nozzles is that they may not atomize fuel as well as smaller nozzles which can increases smoke. Most people report a slight increase in smoke at heavy acceleration but unchanged or actually improved fuel economy with larger nozzles! This difference could be also be due to replacement of worn nozzles. " To install: http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/multi/nozzle-install-TDI.htm "After installing new nozzles, you should notice a change in power, fuel economy, and smoke. If you installed larger nozzles and want to reduce smoke and fueling, you can fine tune the fueling with VCDS." (aha, I have one... need to RTM) "Fine tuning the injection quantity (IQ) tweaks the amount of fuel that is injected and can slightly adjust fuel economy and reduce smoke, everything else being equal. The computer doesn't know the size of the nozzle but it does know how much fuel was metered at the injection pump and the duration and timing of the pilot injection opening through sensors (and not the nozzle)." "Procedure Please refer to 1000q: injection quantity adjustment and the section "Testing and changing IQ with software adaptation" for details and screenshots. A summary of the procedure is below. First drive the car for about 500 miles or so to let the new nozzles settle in. Drive the car and let it warm up to normal operating temperature. While idling, open VCDS, login with code "12233", adaptation, block 1. Adjust adaptation value higher or lower to adjust IQ to the 3.0-5.0 mg/R range. Hit "save" when you are satisfied. When you are done, exit and then go back to make sure the values you wanted are still there." I guess I need to figure out how to dial in the timing while I'm in there... with only 30-40k on the "new" belt, but old rollers... I'm not in a big rush to deal with this... the injectors have been smoking when cold, mileage down... so we'll see how this goes... need to install the euro headlights on the jetta... have to take the front bumper off... what a pain... and need to come up with a wiring adapter... :) anyone got one? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3983 **************************