>Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 00:02:40 -0500 (CDT)
>From: JEEPHEAD93webtv.net
>Subject: xj: Build Sheet
>John,
>Is that build sheet a universal form that chrysler used for all its
>vehicles (trucks & SUV's) or just for the JEEP division. If it was just
>for JEEP does that mean they offered a 9.25 rear axle and 4:88 gears in
>the XJ's? I was just wondering cause I was looking at all the options on
>the back of the build sheet.
>Steve J.
>93 XJ-2.5
>"MULE"
Steve,
Because of the confusion recently encountered on the one of the lists about
transmissions (see summary sheet below) it seems to me that these factory build orders may
include data from other models and other options that may not have been even offered that year.
I think the forms have provisions for things that may not have even been
designed. :) When setting up a manufacturing operation and parts sources
one must consider all possibilities. I suspect that is what is reflected on
these forms. These aren't enthusiasts setting this stuff up, in fact, the
folks that set this stuff up may not have been engineers. They were parts
and inventory folks who probably looked at various vendor catalogs and
selected the range of parts available in setting up the process flows and
inventory systems. Just a hunch based on a variety of personal experiences
in various industries. :) I'm sure there were folks with business degrees,
industrial engineers and just plain old hard working folks trying to make things
work for clueless managers who treated them with disdain and contempt. :)
But it seems like those that work there still enjoy it:
http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/HISTORY/RalphOffenberg/1937.html
anyway, here's some BUILD ORDERS and Summary sheets:
FSJ (1989) Summary Sheets:
http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/89GW_SummarySheet1.JPG
http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/89GW_SummarySheet2.JPG
FSJ (1984? - need to check the VIN) build order:
http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/vehicle-building-order.jpg
XJ (1993) build order:
http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/BUILD-ORDER/1993-xj-build-order-1.jpg
http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/BUILD-ORDER/1993-xj-build-order-2.jpg
http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/BUILD-ORDER/1993-xj-build-order-bottoms.jpg
interesting stuff... would like to learn more, but Toledo is a long way from
Snohomish and it would be hard to find someone there that understands
the "big picture". Sadly most automotive journalists don't understand
or report all the details and technical specs. Seems like they gloss over
the good stuff because it takes effort. They give you fluff instead of content.
And what's even more worrisome is when I read an article and there are ERRORS
in print!!!!! Some of the stuff I've read by Jim Allen on makes me
think he hasn't even seen a Jeep up close, especially Full Size Jeeps.
Yet he printed books and magazine articles!! He did a piece on the history
of 4x4s and totally excluded the SJ model of the Jeep. Yet other writer's clearly
point out the massive influence that these Jeeps had on the industry and even
other countries. Jeep was a pioneer in this area and he totally ignored them!!!
There are a number of other technical errors that he makes in his writing that disgust me.
While one of my favorite automotive writers Robert C. Ackerson has made a few errors, most
of his stuff is pretty solid and accurate. Errors are going to creep in. The data sources
are often the problem. For example the 1981 service and owners manual tells us
to use 10w30 motor oil in the transfer case!!! Turns out it's supposed to be ATF in
any aluminum case chain driven transfer case, and later years of the
manuals cite ATF.
I am very dissatisfied with most of what I read in books or articles...
It seems like folks that write these things don't know the "who, what, where,
when, why or the how" and that and they don't understand how an enthusiast
thinks.
(we're thinking how can I UPGRADE or MODIFY my rig to make it better... we're thinking
HOW did they come up with this, I'm curious... and so on... :) Definitely
a disconnect exists... and we're left hanging with partial data and partial
information... fluff with NO substance... I WANT DETAILS, SPECIFICATIONS,
DIMENSIONS, RATINGS, OPTIONS... I WANT MY DATA!!!! and I WANT IT NOW. :)
I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY WERE BUILT, I WANT TO KNOW THE DETAILS!!!!
I miss the days of Road and Track (early '70s) where a nice summary of all the specifications where
printed at the back of the article. You had all the vehicle specs right there. That was
journalism. Not only did you get the writer's seat of the pants view and could "feel" the
car, but you could also see the specs and compare them with other models. You could
trust those guys. The garbage in print now talks about such surface issues and side topics
that it's just wasted fluff. I've read articles where the author hadn't even popped the hood
to take a picture of the engine!!!! When I read about the "new" Grand Cherokee I want to read
about the gear ratios, engine specs and dimensions all interspersed with the writer's experience
with the rig and his or her feelings about it... I WANT DETAILS and opinions, not just FLUFF....
ok, ok, maybe I shouldn't have had that last Latte... I'm getting off the
soapbox now... ;)
they shouldn't give me days off... rofl... sorry for going so long...
later,
john meister
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